From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 12 08:41:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA16187 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [193.117.77.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16129; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:41:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21073; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:37:31 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00938; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:43:01 GMT Message-ID: <19971112164300.34838@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:43:00 +0000 To: Brian Somers Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommendation for a UK based ISP References: <19971112101725.23103@iii.co.uk> <199711121216.MAA29415@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199711121216.MAA29415@awfulhak.demon.co.uk>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Nov 12, 1997 at 12:16:29PM +0000 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Nov 12, 1997 at 12:16:29PM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: > Demon systems (www.demon.net) provide all this for #10+VAT (#11.75) > per month. They do almost all. My two sticking points with Demon are: 1. Their Perl version is 5.003. There were some important OO changes between 5.003 and 5.004, and so far, they don't seem inclined to upgrade. 2. They won't let you telnet to a shell on your web account that remotely reflects the environment your CGI script will be running in. It's much easier to debug a CGI that way. The alternative[1] of - write - upload - test in a browser - realise something's not quite right, because of the difference between my test environment and their server, so go to step 1 will drive me up the wall, as well as increasing my on line charges. According to my inside contact at Demon (who may or may not be reading this list, if he is, then "Hi") Demon have no immediate plans to fix point 1, and will categorically not do point 2. I had a lovely set up at my last place via a company called Atlas Internet. They basically said "OK, here's what your Apache virtual server config looks like, here's your docroot, here's your cgi-bin directory, now don't come asking silly questions." Suited me fine. Unfortunately, they've now aimed themselves purely at the business market. N [1] The other alternative, writing code that "works first time" is a nice goal, but I prefer to live in the real world. -- --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission