From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 04:55:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4085016A400 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@ircgnet.net) Received: from ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com (ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29A8F13C457 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@ircgnet.net) Received: (qmail 2013 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2007 04:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (michael@ircgnet.net@67.168.235.146) by ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2007 04:55:53 -0000 Message-ID: <45B2F25A.4030302@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:55:54 -0800 From: Michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Albrecht References: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F1267327@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> <20070118231254.GA5405@wantadilla.lemis.com> <39ed86f90701181524x3c21c9f7sce09907f72a3f9c1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <39ed86f90701181524x3c21c9f7sce09907f72a3f9c1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dak Ghatikachalam , freebsd-questions , Murray Taylor Subject: Re: Mail etiquette X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:55:54 -0000 Greg Albrecht wrote: > On 18/01/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> > Top-posting defined simply ... >> > >> > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. >> > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> > A: Top-posting. >> > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >> >> > Unfortunately all Micro$lop 'standard' email clients and a few >> > others put the cursor at the top of the email, so the bad habit has >> > developed across the world both domestically and in businesses, to >> > write there, rather than continuing the email thread at the bottom. >> >> "Top posting" is only one issue. Others of great importance are >> trimming your posts, not breaking the lines into tiny fragments, and >> not writing one-line paragraphs. Your .sig is a good example of >> things that people should remove from replies. > > i've been wanting to chime in on this. perhaps it should be taken into > consideration that a good number of MODERN email clients support > automatic threading of messages. this allows me to see each reply to a > message after the original message, in succession. i understand that > different people configure and use their email clients in different > ways, but why is there such a pandering towards one versus the other. > my email software (gmail right now but has been mutt and thunderbird > in the past) makes it really easy for me to get the context of a > message as soon as it arrives. perhaps it's time for the rest of the > world to step up and add auto-threading to their mta's? > > just my $0.02. > > -g > > ps: there's no need to reiterate how 'hard' it is for you to have to > 'scroll down' to read the original message in a reply, how is that any > different than me having to scroll down to read your reply? > I couldn't agree more Greg A. I think it is time for most mta's step up and standardize a bit, but I also think people complain a little to much about top/bottom posting issue. Personally if the email app I'm using decides to place my cursor at the bottom/top, then that's where I start typing. The order in which a conversation takes place, rarely has little to do with the content of the thread. No offense to the 'groggy' one..... just my 2 cents is all. BTW, 'groggy' one, I love your books bro! Take care all, Michael