From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Aug 1 23:11:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E48BACF0E for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2016 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Received: from mail-qk0-x232.google.com (mail-qk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F0061227 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2016 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Received: by mail-qk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id v123so27273140qkh.3 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:11:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hardenedbsd-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=aiTDsNwRBYiM8g3tZ27vhJPyPLLquzCjAnDeUknZ098=; b=VEsQ1XSl5YKvhGFe6RTwjaPnP6xwGjTVoS9/3fiyJgZtO0ylLiH6yNGkC2vhZPofZU OsT1uifUg3zDcb1PY3HAfMsmib0Kch7+Cx+JoLuretjKY0JrzWK3eHDwG0BnZy57CmDn YBxhyOFGd+ZAQYdMHOFsuyedCMtCwOG4R0nUy3vYM8usVlyWKnH1Uk7x5bYKtwP9RcCF VkGu0lGVlLe7EMytPC2T3BZgqJRZjyC9XRwHntpdir+gM8zXrFoJTRzbjCXiIU8VXaNL Z6SLjT4LVAiZmjaCmXsEGSD9xeus3GOHG2Bbt6fLMXLrGTGjDDJBypMS8LivlBWzo3W3 DcMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=aiTDsNwRBYiM8g3tZ27vhJPyPLLquzCjAnDeUknZ098=; b=XiojBHgF/fkU95bG6HruGj+3dz0hZ/aH4pB8W5BFxQEVf+gcu1ShTwB6fiwxigSho6 5pBPXiocjZfkg3JUibAh7An+lyFM4curOWLCq5speWxNijtQoxqcR19awmVz8ZofTS2m cAwXhwnAwYdAxtdC4KA87FRdVSocHhkeI9sw2eROyC3cU/4iPZ+TL9a+m9CYBezeQZpq od5Ox8kUi89MDDyGw/6ZQWlmBf+BHD0CNE97UWKuWaL7LySO0mzG+UO0PeeHWfiurlsH Yqk1naaBOeyv/MJ0j2qSX6jr5DT+DxhmGUiFB7lpPOItU7kE/PbNg5DfeK7PTimXuorP 0NzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoousJabcjeJeU1CzibnaixWimoHSI0H9ImNZnbGWLd/j8QAWCREbBNmmlV7j7gGTM3SFk X-Received: by 10.233.237.203 with SMTP id c194mr16576005qkg.68.1470093072501; Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from android-a280016dfb588d59 ([172.56.2.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h25sm18918758qtc.38.2016.08.01.16.11.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:11:11 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Release notes and handbook changes for identifying wireless adapters From: Shawn Webb Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 19:11:02 -0400 To: Ben Woods ,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1996F446-A183-414E-8CB4-91551E50B977@hardenedbsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 23:11:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On August 1, 2016 7:02:05 PM EDT, Ben Woods wrote: >Hi, > >FreeBSD wireless users who are upgrading to FreeBSD 11.0 will likely >get a >surprise when they try and identify which wireless adapters are >available >in their computer by using ifconfig. Neither the FreeBSD 11 release >notes >or the FreeBSD handbook currently explain this change. > >For example, if you have an atheros wireless driver, you would >previously be able to see it using ifconfig, even before configuring >the >wlan0 clone device. > >% ifconfig | grep -B3 -i wireless > > >That was changed with commit r287197: >https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=287197 > >The new way to show which wireless adapter is available is: >% sysctl net.wlan.devices > >Whilst the configuration in /etc/rc.conf required to activate a >wireless >adapter has not changed, people may run into the hurdle of not even >finding >which wireless adapter to configure in the first place. This can be >seen >here: >https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=203271 > >Regards, >Ben Hey Ben, I completely agree. It also seems like a POLA violation. I dislike that I can't get information like MAC address prior to creating the clone. Instead of simply 'ifconfig ath0 ether', now it's 'ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0; ifconfig wlan0 ether'. Some networks use MAC address whitelisting. It's also not possible to easily tell which adapter is which, in case of multiple of the same adapters. The discussion on this is too late for code changes to 11.0-RELEASE, but this should be documented loud and clear. Thanks, Shawn - -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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