From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 30 17:51:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A0816A41B for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A38413C447; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE697208F; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:51:49 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D64208E; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:51:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A58BF84487; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:51:49 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Ed Schouten References: <20080128225308.GT67081@hoeg.nl> <200801291042.m0TAgU9C070678@fire.js.berklix.net> <86y7a7wcn8.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080130171717.GY67081@hoeg.nl> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:51:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080130171717.GY67081@hoeg.nl> (Ed Schouten's message of "Wed\, 30 Jan 2008 18\:17\:17 +0100") Message-ID: <86y7a7urpm.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , portsmaster@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Turning COMPAT_43TTY into a binary-only compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:51:58 -0000 Ed Schouten writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > None of that stuff should be using sgtty. Linux, for instance, only has > > termios, not sgtty, so anything that runs on Linux must necessarily > > already support termios, and it's just a matter of fixing it so it > > doesn't insist on using sgtty instead. > That only partially true. Linux supports termios and termio, but it's > not hard to port termio apps to termios. Yes, it supports both, but the former has long been deprecated in favor of the latter, so hopefully only crufty old software should use it. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no