From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 13 12: 7:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C26714F58 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25473; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:30:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:30:27 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Brett Glass Cc: Jamie Bowden , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD, GPL, the world today. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.37.19990513114425.04421810@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 May 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > At 01:03 PM 5/13/99 -0500, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > >Y'know Brett, I've listened to a lot of what you've had to say, and I've > >agreed on many points, however by blasting C/C++ you've made a big mistake. > > Guess I'm attacking a "sacred cow." > > Sorry, but C and C++ are DEMONSTRABLY responsible for the lion's share > of the bugs in today's software. No. Bad programmers are. It's as easy to be a bad programmer in C as any other language, i've seen many funny things happen with various languages because they do too much for a programmer: /msg perl-bot learn elite `rm -rf $HOME` etc, just because the majority of programs are written in C, doesn't make C directly responsible for the misbehavior of that code. Blame the HR people that assume degree == clue. I'm not saying that C is the only answer, I'm just disagreeing with you that buffer overflows are C's fault. It's just as easy to do bad things in other languages. blame the fact that assembler is hardly required for somone to get a degree and the fact that the compsci departments at many schools are terribly watered down so that they actually graduate people. I don't want overhead in my code. > >I hereby banish you to the wasteland, please make sure you respect the > >carryon regulations, only 2 items. > > Should there be a buffer overflow, a skript kiddie will appear from > your monitor's head and hit you with a cream pie. > > Oh, and by the way, what airline is this? Let's see, it's written on the \ > side of the plane.... V-A-L-U-J-E-T.... I was thinking coach on Tower Air, the only airline that would actually make you greatful you finally reached the wasteland. :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message