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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:42:58 +0200
From: Peter Korsten <peter@grendel.IAEhv.nl>
To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: ATT Unix for Windows !
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Pedro Giffuni S, shared with us:
> Peter Korsten wrote:
> > 
> > I suppose you mean that it's a disadvantage that you have to buy
> > this software? Because I think Visual C++ is an excellent developer
> > environment, at least a whole lot better than the gvim/gcc/xxgdb
> > combination I use on FreeBSD.
>
> Come on..those stupid wizards generate lots of bloat. At least with gcc
> you have exactly what you wrote. Let's go a bit further: Visual C++ is
> not even a visual a language, it's M$ pathetic attempt to turn C++ into
> "Visual" Basic.

Well, at least they have something visual. Do you know of any handy
tool to patch a program together that happens to run with FreeBSD?
That runs with X too? For the same price as VC++?

If you write simple stdin/stdout programs (a so called Console
Application in Visual C++), it's far easier to use. A really good
editor, a really good debugger, and all of it integrated. Not to
mention the difference between a makefile with tons of '-switches',
compared to a project workspace.

Perhaps I can spend a week and look for all kinds of tools that
have some, the same, or even more functionality than VC++, but in
my case, it's cheaper to buy VC++. And it comes with manuals and
a great online help, instead of some info files nobody but Gnu
uses.

But well, this is only from my personal experience from a FreeBSD
system and a Windows NT 4.0 system two metres apart.

Of course, I find MS's marketing strategy - either buying or crushing
the competition in about _every_ field in computing - disturbing, to
say the least. But they do make decent software. Maybe not all of it,
but much of it.

- Peter