From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 19:26:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38229106564A for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C1E98FC18 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2011 19:26:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.30] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2011 19:26:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2011 19:26:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 508330.43374.bm@omp1030.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 44699 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2011 19:26:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1311017168; bh=bLltBE5pR/8XTuSXE9IVTQalNJY867lJpJ1w80Fxx/U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i1LFUSfm9V5aVgbQgO6z7Obrl3eRO1jhBoL1adCunv/6zi5FuDEKdwOomMgpl4T3IL7OL7xx4EzxXwCZhjhYWH+XWI8hS9kyeMzbGmhQkvixBpWo9GhA7d2bdpum8yVHL7SuJ4P17ar5BkXNAkkTYg/BgLS5Y8R0wvtlV2VdGPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XXwpcfq9rnKdQHE849Su9taZXV6I+9lmDBkbybXdHqSZxOVAiSJN4kimyUniTXO0T44i6iEWUTje5kGvvlli/LXNlkjktv4IqAQVWOmZajKvceVC7h0gqZ+KhWuwl9AND62XRJjXdpYzwhLS9QBTmVqASLKxUB8JYSN9jMVYcCY=; X-YMail-OSG: LwlKWE4VM1k6t7MLK6WKkMLf6WTABaDozd.tOQt_tXqbfCP SqyadEAZrGZfwgJ_l0UJMVJ3Aez5M3f3vgWMRFO.3peLOL9G3bjpKde4UMJT TKVRILhzOaJudB3SOLz0_YZjYHOeE5ThPZqkNrcKLHTM3u1nyCIFFG3XyM4s FFIX6I8aTpxNFToTQcVg6DgpjzctadgdF_uGhGhJJM0poUwuidEWUk3SjFdB qcxrBdnNFz64KSNhO1yt5gLETU7HM1X3ssQhYHzO18LL.1jqjVq6mmSYAwsd T6tn88JSABSr2E7v_suWZ.pOh._nejnhwXx4NuFtPE4WxIXQirRk9jNkpOq0 F5DiSoMu5elIamvshFdwzfE4wYarT61mBcsFAZeGPYWRC5EAa.atFsxEV Received: from [50.58.207.5] by web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:26:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/572 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E22DFE9.7050007@pathscale.com> <201107172016.30727.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4E23989F.7010701@gmail.com> <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: <1311017168.44397.YahooMailRC@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:26:10 -0000 =0A________________________________=0AFrom: "perryh@pluto.rain.com" =0ATo: jrisom@gmail.com; cbergstrom@pathscale.com=0ACc: fre= ebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Mon, July 18, 2011 9:05:47 AM=0ASubject:= Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore=0A=0AJoshua Isom wrote:=0A> On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote:=0A> > On Su= nday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote:=0A> >> I hope gnome does [g= o Linux-only]..=A0 Maybe then more=0A> >> people would forget about it and = focus on making KDE better ;)=0A...=0A> What about enlightenment?=0A=0AFor = us old-timers :)=0A=0AWhat's the advantage of any of these "desktop environ= ments" (Gnome,=0AKDE, enlightenment, Xfce) over ordinary X11 with (say) FVW= M2 or TWM?=0ACertainly there are some useful apps that, for better or worse= , are=0Abuilt with gtk or the KDE toolkit, but what does the full-blown=0Ae= nvironment really contribute (other than bloat)?=0A________________________= _______________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp= ://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, s= end any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0AI'm wit= h you on this one. My FreeBSD servers are SERVERS and I don't need a gui = =0Ato be efficient and reliable with them. And when I do occassionally go w= ith a =0AFreeBSD for my desktop I don't need all the bloat of GNOME or KDE.= I have used =0ATWM from the beginning and it does just fine by me.=0A=0ANo= w as for BSD becoming irrelevant....I think that's all sour grapes. Linux g= ets =0Aall the hype but I don't see te BSD's going by the wayside because o= f it. I do =0Awish there was a more richer library of drivers available, li= ke with Linux. That =0AI would not complain about.