From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 17 15:03:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB16A4A944 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcdonnjd@pcam.org) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0130.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 355E219B4 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcdonnjd@pcam.org) Received: from BLUPR07MB321.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.25.14) by BLUPR07MB322.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.25.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:03:25 +0000 Received: from BLUPR07MB321.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.13.26]) by BLUPR07MB321.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.13.26]) with mapi id 15.01.0361.006; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:03:25 +0000 From: John McDonnell To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: POS system trashing hard drives during install Thread-Topic: POS system trashing hard drives during install Thread-Index: AdE42/YAUl1Y0GLdSvaQohL1/K9PRA== Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:03:25 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=mcdonnjd@pcam.org; x-originating-ip: [68.234.51.1] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BLUPR07MB322; 5:Yeg/N8gdwh8cmyLIjtLvt8s+EqduVQzJcOM2YfutXSxz/PKYJhFw5dgMyNvQQ0BG/pnojPI2yklbpvRNMDjTc1jK+8QFHgebcsx1DVKnP/R3xFicvGDw6D11FuxK09ZSjw8gQTjeT6BSrOm+nS0gIg==; 24:xy4VZolPm25B7ncChWShMdUEebO3PG/Gis8qhhFpzRn0Lvr/+v6draJXwOzlGHQege7JbEOLLAvHv5rfcBuWJCnbnupFzJ+7aUo6Io1b+4s=; 20:VQjnB83X+sStWOMtXRopWjZhdCWhP4Io2naMGAGEOEF2f7CmNIS4HRVYiKdFYYVn3z67GKwydqfjeA6BObdCX+AmfcEpi4HdAMwlkMmdrEO8ntOMySJAGVSTW8Bz4sB3PD936Ai3t+JrRO8dUGGK4/4HzdCHU9+67jqJV3dKN/I= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR07MB322; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(192713067249063); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(2401047)(520078)(5005006)(8121501046)(3002001)(10201501046); SRVR:BLUPR07MB322; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR07MB322; x-forefront-prvs: 07935ACF08 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(189002)(199003)(504964003)(19580405001)(5001960100002)(110136002)(54356999)(76576001)(33656002)(66066001)(1220700001)(1096002)(586003)(5008740100001)(10400500002)(101416001)(6116002)(107886002)(102836003)(74316001)(3846002)(19580395003)(92566002)(5004730100002)(40100003)(5002640100001)(86362001)(122556002)(50986999)(189998001)(229853001)(81156007)(5003600100002)(450100001)(106356001)(87936001)(99286002)(105586002)(2900100001)(97736004)(11100500001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR07MB322; H:BLUPR07MB321.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:0; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: pcam.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: pcam.org X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 Dec 2015 15:03:25.7658 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4d0a72ee-ba26-46d5-8bbe-6430f01b636a X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR07MB322 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:03:37 -0000 I rescued a Point Of Sale system from recycling and had the bright idea to = put it out on one of my kitchen counters with the intention of creating a k= iosk of sorts to allow looking up recipes (I still need to search ports for= some type of cookbook software though there are plenty of recipes availabl= e online as well) as well as perhaps providing some music as well. The print on the bottom lists the model name as POS System and model number= as Frontier. The user manual I have says CobraPos 1370/1478, so not exactl= y sure which model it is, but I'm fairly certain it is only minor differenc= es between the two after looking through the manual. The systems originally= had 256 MB of RAM, a 40 GB hard drive, a 2 GHz Celeron processor, and a sl= im CD-ROM drive. (I'm not sure of the exact processor, but I have a couple = more of these here at work so I could look it up if needed if I have time, = or I can find out when I get home.) They originally ran Windows XP Professi= onal on a 40 GB PATA hard drive. There is apparently SATA available somewhe= re, but I've not tried locating the ports on the motherboard yet but I've g= ot that idea in the back of my head for something to possibly attempt in th= e future. It does not have any of the optional credit card readers or secon= dary displays, though it would be kind of cool to get the 2x20 VFD for a fu= n retro POS look, though the secondary smaller monitor that mounts in the s= ame position would be prettier and both are moot since I won't be using thi= s as an actual POS system, but perhaps if I decide to rescue one of the oth= er units here... I upgraded the RAM to 1 GB (all I have laying around are sticks of DDR in 5= 12 MB for the two sockets, but it will accept 1 GB sticks if I come across = any, though I think we already recycled all of our PCs running DDR, and I d= on't recall seeing any that had 1 GB sticks in them anyway) and wanted to p= ut FreeBSD on it instead of XP, so I dug out an 80 GB PATA hard drive for a= bit of extra space and so I could save the XP hard drive as a backup of a = running system. I'm going to try and dig through some of our old laptops th= at we haven't recycled yet and see if I can find at least a slim CDRW drive= though I'm really looking for a DVD drive with the correct connectors, tho= ugh I probably won't be using the drive at all after installation. I didn't= take the 40 pin IDE and power adapter off the drive to get a good look, bu= t the brief glance reminded me of the connector on an older (T40?) ThinkPad= , which we've already recycled of course. I believe the disk I had on hand is a FreeBSD 10 disk, though I'm going to = burn a 10.2 disk if I don't find one laying around already, though I don't = think the difference between 10 and 10.2 will make any difference. I might = even be better off going with an older version due to the installer default= s and then doing an update. Sorry for the long post so far, but here is whe= re I'm running into my problem. The installer boots up and runs through the= process perfectly fine. But upon rebooting after install, the system locks= up. It runs the memory check and displays the connected IDE devices (the h= ard drive and CD-ROM drive) and the keyboard is still semi-responsive, I ca= n hit Del or F9 and it will display "Entering BIOS" or "Loading Boot Device= List" but that is all that happens. It doesn't actually go into the BIOS o= r do anything and CTRL+ALT+DEL doesn't restart the system, I have to hard p= ower down. If I disconnect the hard drive at this point, the system boots f= ine. I pulled the hard drive out and connected it to my PC with an IDE to U= SB adapter and Windows won't initialize the drive and says there is an erro= r with it. (ie I can't even re-format it in Windows, I know UFS wouldn't be= available.) I thought well, maybe it was just bad timing and the drive jus= t died. So I grabbed another 80 GB drive I had, checked it in my Windows ma= chine and then put it into the POS. I had the same thing happen after the f= irst reboot. I plugged it back into my Windows PC and once again, it can't = do anything with the drive. So now I'm thinking maybe the system doesn't li= ke GPT formatting and was doing something funny with it. So I grabbed anoth= er 80 GB drive and put it in and went through the manual process of using g= part to use MBR partitioning instead of GPT. But once again, I rebooted the= system and it locked up the same way. I didn't plug this drive back into m= y Windows PC to see if it is trashed as well as it was 2 AM at this point a= nd I was calling it a night. I think I have one more working 80 GB drive at= home, but I'd really like some input on how to possibly get this working. = And my other 80 GB drives might be salvageable somehow, perhaps plug into a= system with onboard IDE connectors and try some low level utilities or som= ething, but I'm not sure I have a system at home with that kind of setup an= ymore. Perhaps I'll try and find a BIOS update, but with all the extras added onto= the motherboard internally, I'd be afraid of it not working afterwards unl= ess I can verify it's specific for this POS system. (It's one of the weirde= st layouts I've ever seen with the motherboard mounted behind the LCD monit= or and some daughterboards connected via I have no idea what as I didn't go= disconnecting any of them yet. One of them seems to have an additional VGA= port on it but not connected to anything but does have a header that the s= peakers are connected to. I accidentally knocked them out of their mount in= the case and have no idea if they are stereo or dual mono, but if stereo, = I probably now have the left on the right and the right on the left... Then= in the base of the system there's the power supply, hard drive, CD-ROM, an= additional board providing access to a CF card slot, front USB ports, mic = jack and power button and then another additional board in the back providi= ng the rear IO panel with its extra serial ports, LAN (which is a passthrou= gh type of connector as there is an Ethernet cable that plugs into a jack o= n the board to go back to the motherboard along with the quite large ribbon= cable that connects this board to the motherboard) some additional 12 volt= power ports, parallel port, a 12 volt USB port and 24 volt USB port.) (I n= eed to look into these powered USB ports which are apparently something of = a standard for POS systems to provide data and power to cash drawers and pr= inters and such without having to have extra power cords and such, it sort = of looks like a dual USB port stack with a normal USB port on the bottom an= d the port on top is closer in size and a similar shape of a cat5 port but = with a block in the middle with connectors like a larger USB port. I'm assu= ming the larger connectors for the higher voltage. The bottom USB port is s= tandard size as I did try plugging a USB drive into it while it was off jus= t to see if it fit. I'm thinking it might operate as a normal USB port and = all the higher voltage runs through the adjoining port. I'll have to look i= t up later.) A thought I had this morning after getting into work was to perhaps attempt= installing FreeBSD onto a hard drive on a machine here at work and then ta= king it home and try booting it there. Might be something weird the system = does when formatting that makes it screwy. I know the system itself works a= s it runs with the Windows XP hard drive I have as backup. I'm open to sugg= estions, though I've kind of run out of hard drives for too much testing un= less I can find some more, though I do have more 40 GB drives, which should= be more than enough space for this machine really. Sorry for the really long post, but I tend to ramble a bit and I also wante= d to make sure I included as much relevant information as I could think of.= If you have questions about the hardware, I can check it out when I get ho= me, or grab one of the other systems from work to look at here if I have so= me spare time. Hopefully since we've outsourced our e-mail, I can post to t= he mailing list from this address, but I'm still half expecting it to bounc= e since it is Office 365. Thank you in advance for any and all help you can provide with my problem a= nd for all the help you've already provided from me reading the mailing lis= t. --=20 John McDonnell mcdonnjd@pcam.org