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Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)
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On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 20:09 +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> As far as I know, nobody is taking the source code or the Makefiles
> away, so if somebody doesn't like the system being distributed with
> pkg, they can very well roll their own.
> 
> It's nice to see the level of enthusiasm the FreeBSD project can
> muster, I just wish it wasn't always enthusiasm for stopping
> progress.
> 

Why is it that anyone who tries to inject some aspect of concensus
design into something is automatically labeled anti-progess?

Oh yeah, now I remember:  Because in freebsd, design is decided by a
race to commit rather than by discussion.

-- Ian