From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 10:35:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE98CEF8; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shepard.synsport.net (mail.synsport.com [208.69.230.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0C68A4; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.20] (unknown [130.255.19.191]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shepard.synsport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F10D438BE; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 05:34:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <5336A1B5.3080200@marino.st> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:34:29 +0100 From: John Marino User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon Subject: Re: LPPL10 license consequences intended? (arabic/arabtex) References: <532DC88A.7010104@marino.st> <532DFDB2.1090200@cyberleo.net> <532ED19F.1090100@marino.st> <533541E5.6040003@marino.st> <20140329031431.GA21162@village.abthorpe.org> <533686CE.6040706@marino.st> <20140329101455.GA21319@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20140329101455.GA21319@lonesome.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: CyberLeo Kitsana , Kevin Oberman , "ports@FreeBSD.org Ports" , Nicola Vitale , Thomas Abthorpe X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: marino@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:04 -0000 On 3/29/2014 11:14, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 09:39:42AM +0100, John Marino wrote: >> *this* is a crappy attitude though. > > No, that's the sound of burnout. > > IMVHO, one of the contributing factors to burnout is exactly this kind > of email. It was certainly the case in my decision to step back over a > year ago. Come on, Mark. First of all, he started with the attitude, not me. Don't dish it out if you don't want a response. But everyone is a victim nowadays, rights? > I appreciate that you are doing some good work for the project, but I > find your current attitude disappointing. Not everything that ought > to happen quickly does, on a volunteer project. tabthorpe is not just anybody, he's an assigned leader. Despite his intention to step down, he's still in that role today. I do expect people in leadership positions that they've agreed to assume to lead by example. Part of that is not just blowing off emails. The "volunteer" excuse is old and used as a blanket excuse for not doing what ought to be done. obviously it is often valid, but now it is often abused. Happen quickly? sure, I agree with that, it's life. Not Responding / acknowledging quickly? I disagree. It's easy to say, "Hey, I see the issue, I'm pretty swamped for the next 10 days. I'll take a look at it after that if nobody else does in the meantime. And we should think about how to centralize licensing...". This licensing topic is actually kind of a big mess that nobody seems to be leading, and it's not even clear if missing licenses is a problem. What's the policy? It would be better to disable the entire framework than continue with this half-support. John