From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 06:20:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9164106564A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823698FC21 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AVvW1a0090QuhwU59WLuqj; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:20:54 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AWLr1a0054v8bD73NWLr4m; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:20:52 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=dgL-YRx-YJHBYpnnPv4A:9 a=Yhj-ryjZLOghY0hV8D4A:7 a=Al1SLQuniVQqWog76GELllkzGOYA:4 a=w0b5ArVf_TUA:10 a=gWmOFBW1Y4AA:10 a=fgf5PR_cwQYA:10 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3587917B81A; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:20:53 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:20:55 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: > >> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try >> Freesbie or something like that? > > Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and > not something downstream. > >> If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this installation to live there >> for some years. I can spend some hours/days installing and configuring >> what I really need. At least this is the way I see it. Maybe I'm >> misunderstanding you. > > I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to > use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at > least want a web browser out of the box. I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but your assumption is ignorant. Why do you think FreeBSD is intended solely for desktop usage? It's not. I, for one, **only want a command prompt** out of the box. I **do not** want Xorg or any X-related garbage on my servers. > The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that FreeBSD > was AS compelling in its first install experience. At present it is > far, far behind. > > That does not stop ME from preferring FreeBSD, but it stops many other > people. I am in no way an "advocate" of operating systems, so despite me having freebsd.org mail address, do not think for a minute that what I'm about to tell you is biased in favour of FreeBSD. Use whatever operating system works best for you. If that's Linux, awesome! If that's FreeBSD, awesome! If that's Windows, awesome! Different people have different needs -- case in point, you want a simple and easy-to-install out-of-the-box desktop version of FreeBSD, while I want a no-cruft-like-X install server version of FreeBSD. FreeBSD caters to both. There's nothing stopping you from downloading disc1 and during the install choosing to install Firefox and X, which will accomplish what you need. You'll still be booted into a command prompt, but that's how UNIX is; FreeBSD is not Kubuntu. I think what you might be looking for is, believe it or not, PC-BSD. I believe you can install PC-BSD and get a working X desktop with a browser and all that jazz right out of the box. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |