From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 21 21:21:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA1C471305 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shadowomf@arcor.de) Received: from vsmx012.vodafonemail.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx012.vodafonemail.xion.oxcs.net [153.92.174.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CdmYx1b1Pz3QQd for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shadowomf@arcor.de) Received: from vsmx004.vodafonemail.xion.oxcs.net (unknown [192.168.75.198]) by mta-8-out.mta.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AAFF351BF for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.86.1.1] (unknown [46.142.0.50]) by mta-8-out.mta.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6284319A326 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: usb harddisk not working To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20201121204425.86d9c6b1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20201121212613.153cfbda@archlinux> <20201121221333.19973dbd.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Christoph Harder Autocrypt: addr=shadowomf@arcor.de; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mJMEXtfqExMJKyQDAwIIAQENBAMEiOcnS1zkzUiN69dDauTzK5rciVyTl/TETRsSY3UZPTyG DtzqCJV3gkmw8+8nfsABrct9Kes2nZcQS4Z1mYjNSjKqBrFjnOuzs2aKP9HVOxbq2O0/uQt+ dNKj/0/OQ277YkcgmSZxLtEyFFxZ+oG/lEH1GTRG/4sQIJlYBMAD3yq0JUNocmlzdG9waCBI YXJkZXIgPHNoYWRvd29tZkBhcmNvci5kZT6I1gQTEwoAPhYhBJvciSrfzNhHg1EzkaNiR58/ CtwGBQJe1+ozAhsjBQkKfRgdBQsJCAcCBhUKCQgLAgQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEKNiR58/CtwG lA4B/jca5VP9NhR9JsW+SPYYokMt3CcW9xasxukupfjmXo31yjrkNvL9ibwbs1s8d2/wg7I0 Rwlj1uwPdUowGMP0A0gB/3Yh2WGLlseMZHwcp3Or+u67dxB5UJ3HmUkNA4IaITrWGm4spTDp n/jOycSa1/OPHPqrNAhPtukPsWi8Zn2qG6i4lwRe1+oTEgkrJAMDAggBAQ0EAwRzV2Ra5qRU wy+lalkkrRSklVgYIhKX9H4cgfbsmT+hrjs2XQFVRj2kKz5dvBVMTpO+cyxzzflHfwNJqwm4 o/zeO25U2gplF3D19ObC7KSCBSyIopX+cp0r9Zyj+LO9BXXuy6TF0N2Oe2HLAVeyEdHc1PCu Op4hmD1g5BCHNx4zgAMBCgmIvgQYEwoAJhYhBJvciSrfzNhHg1EzkaNiR58/CtwGBQJe1+oT AhsMBQkKfRgdAAoJEKNiR58/CtwGJwYB/39UIRXG5RcGddpOoHY95z1nlSwPC1RPwEVBp39T hPuWeKI1l6KIh9uOuGUZt8Q37OX7eRv1Fq46qi0tSow9CpIB/1qn/rd05ShB+K31WRefy7mW q0vLe7Kbxcn7uXDOQ0niDmdAjpgZjXU3+7enaCD/vEMMc1geuxKDwdF4kd6+VNM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 22:21:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201121221333.19973dbd.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Z0zQdz23IwQW8m8UPJzg8M1m8ut8pwyXd" X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CdmYx1b1Pz3QQd X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shadowomf@arcor.de designates 153.92.174.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shadowomf@arcor.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[arcor.de]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:153.92.174.0/24]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[arcor.de]; ASN(0.00)[asn:60664, ipnet:153.92.174.0/24, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[153.92.174.90:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:+,4:+,5:~]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain,application/pgp-keys]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[arcor.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[153.92.174.90:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:21:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Z0zQdz23IwQW8m8UPJzg8M1m8ut8pwyXd Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="RkbEU2ZNb8AMvpmSlZOPq5qeNCaFyuEgq" --RkbEU2ZNb8AMvpmSlZOPq5qeNCaFyuEgq Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AD2FE9359721BD775256D476" Content-Language: de-DE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AD2FE9359721BD775256D476 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, thank you for the fast feedback. Regarding power saving I suspected as much and won't persue it further. I'll try to change the usb cable, maybe I'm "lucky" and it works. Best regards, Christoph Am 21.11.2020 um 22:13 schrieb Polytropon: > On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:26:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 20:44:25 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >>> This could be a wiring thing, but in my experience with cheap USB dis= k >>> enclosings, it's probably a version of the firmware (the part that >>> does "USB plug <---> SATA disk") that is not working properly and >>> according to the standard. This can also explain the "works here, but= >>> not there" and "works sometimes, but not always". >> >> Hahaha, >> >> IIRC we already agreed off-list regarding USB enclosures and the >> firmware a while ago. >> >> I can not remember that we discussed wiring issues. >> >> IMO it's super-very-most-unlikely a wiring issue. I can't imagine a >> reasonable wiring issue. >=20 > I wanteed to mention this because I experienced that once: > It was a USB enclosure with the came it came with - worked > sometimes, on some systems, but was hard to predict _where_ > it would work _when_. Turned out, after removing the > original USB cable and using a different one, the disk > worked everywhere every time. :-) >=20 > I called this "wiring issue" because the only thing involved > is the wires in the USB cable. There _might_ be wiring > problems within the enclosure (PCB to disk), but that doesn't > seem to happen that often. Still a possibility. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> In the beginning I disassembled the drives and connected them to my PC= >> to test, if the drives are broken. Nowadays I don't even test the >> drives, I directly return such USB enclosures. I even don't waste time= >> to test another USB port ;), let alone another computer. >=20 > In the past, I also solved "broken disk" issues by removing > them from the enclosure and attaching them to my trusted > JMicron universal adapter (for SATA, PATA, mini-PATA), using > the original power supply. 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