From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 16 15:18:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB64333D698 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49mWzs04f4z48Ng for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:18:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id u13so2445819iol.10 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=66F7E6uww38cPuPKygi30aeLTsCi5xw89xkuCOfHEFE=; b=DL80qlQQT6nPyVduBleAPW7450RcldS3nskHO7n3RO9D5aznEGYoX0Pv9GCTUSY/pD W8UzK9wvvQdnefPlunu4gLufEq+339S/uUHSuh+3/CTQv85u6nt6fDf5+kZIQlwcLcPX dOvfMzABjmy1prwHXp3ces0vxhj8pDUEwDeJVShnsbfHWUSxsbs8WjR7IuwLSrRLTASC 05+EmlIEh2uaCwsFPXbP9cdAvoVkqCJYOMFlg7TjMpmKX5sYWWRACDJ6oTDbd46I+0Y3 IYWtmAw2owMSePJXuXdPBMF8hn4nat1xSpvqSJm7r4jfo8FVfBmL1zoVPVzC0475xa/E 3uxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=66F7E6uww38cPuPKygi30aeLTsCi5xw89xkuCOfHEFE=; b=fEDZ+77ZV++iNNXOaLqTDh2cu2WuEhlc0ZnpV2yqhmzdZpvz72n6OueH6Gp78++/9r jKvejZrpsJGpqGIO/iEc5ePX+WJanHMPgWItPV+0EtVWHgL3GbQNT635mwdrtuabkuY+ e2aBIUFbDGg+f2cekh0KnFZoaNZBvWK6tAup7/zar5VXuozhCVLXp+jzv1xv76FgwJDq RKQRmH49NDr3BxHTqG3qU/jN+2qlOBEAFhi+DFfKyQGr1sk+6suZLKY8jNcRCX5Bzi48 kzctVPuaUFTmaNUVbmcVinbraqt4XrFKNxoBhxuUOruB7EEyYc6mBwH5uP+W8dSCmlNW tUFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533cJoqzDrR/1ShZattUfYdgVk+IZy4hbnl/ePtj//NjNW4mgdPm aKyjV0dhe5yT0NdinN5CbVj/K3Tmgt/l4c70eCY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy+7bcDlTC8Jdx4u7IUFemCjmQH9j4Ma53gRL/y6GopFJy2cXbWk/DSr6zpDvvK8a2/rBtfo3+6L/GlvzVxBBA= X-Received: by 2002:a02:95a6:: with SMTP id b35mr26180131jai.40.1592320695951; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:18:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <13115.1592302784@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20200616071153.00006f4d@seibercom.net> <20200616075548.000066f1@seibercom.net> <20200616140416.bd7b8bf2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616142043.7d599458.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616092901.000002f7@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:18:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd To: Chris Knipe Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49mWzs04f4z48Ng X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DL80qlQQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.15 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.051]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.10)[-1.103]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:18:18 -0000 On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:07 AM Chris Knipe wrote: > >> Unless some program was hard coded for it then the code is different. >> In many legacy applications such hard codings were made to maximize >> performance and/or some other reason. It is these legacy applications >> that in many cases make it so the doctor's office refuses to upgrade >> (usually some ancient accounting or lab management program that would cost >> an arm and a leg to replace/if replaceable at all [some medical devices are >> not made any more but are still in use in many doctors offices]). Public >> hospitals are even worse off in terms of funding and unless serious help >> from the government is forthcoming are almost certain to be unable to >> upgrade to something that doesn't require an ancient TTY 33A, DEC VT100 or >> something like that to be connected (they are physically incapable of >> interfacing to anything else). A good case in point is the "new improved" >> ventilators that Trump sent to Elmhurst Hospital (here in Queens) where >> incompatible with the pre-HL7 EMR they had and that's why the governor had >> to ask for more (and agent orange haid [Trump] refused because he has the >> same "newer is better" attitude you have... oh and he is also an all around >> idiot). >> >> TL;dr -- You often have very little if any choice IRL about what tech is >> actually in place and 24x80 is a universal lowest common denominator and >> thus it should be kept. >> >> > Again - what does this have to do with email and 80 characters? You don't > read your email on a heart monitor, do you? > Since you've likely never needed to connect one you wouldn't know but they can send email and text messages. Text messages (SMS) are limited to 140 characters thus if you need to send a longer message you need to fragment. Also status reports are sent to the clients employees and sometimes to patients and most of them use smart phones and thus have *LESS* than 80 character wide screens and it still has to be readable for them. Since 80 is a good compromise between all these demands it is a good requirement for any email the system sends (we even have an automated test to make sure no message has a line longer than 80 chars for this reason). -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org