From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 00:28:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6583C16A601; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115E743D5F; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:28:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4M0RVHH055599; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20060521.182731.74695972.imp@bsdimp.com> To: grog@freebsd.org From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <20060521221556.GA97506@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <446B8E36.8050902@elischer.org> <20060518000342.GJ61448@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20060521221556.GA97506@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apologies X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 00:28:17 -0000 > my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we > have with product management. These problems remain. The pcvt removal has been long planned. I don't see how it points out a problem in the project. The software didn't keep pace with the development of the system, and the multiple video consoles got in the way of progress. pcvt illustrates a problem that we've had in the project where we have too many identical ways of doing the same thing. Sometimes this diversity is good, other times it gets in the way of project making progres. To properly manage the project, we have to make sure that there's a balance between these two extremes. When the multiple ways allow innovation, it is a good thing. When multiple ways are getting in the way, somthing has to give... Warner