From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Apr 10 17: 4:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA5B37B647 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04902 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:04:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA06418 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:04:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3626A37B7D3; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25908; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA9taaFY; Mon Apr 10 16:59:26 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29030; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:00:35 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200004110000.RAA29030@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh To: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:00:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), arch@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200004062336.QAA38972@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Apr 06, 2000 04:36:02 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > PicoBSD is just *one* of the many, many, many uses for small embedded > > > system. > > > > List them. > > Your not reading. He already listed a handfull, Juniper, Whistle, etc > all. I'll ad 3 in I am working on, can't give you names, but 8K bites > for me, let alone 400K. Whistle doesn't really depend on PicoBSD, and our image is approximately 20M. Our default root shell is, in fact, tcsh. But it's called tcsh, not csh. I think the most damning argument so far is the "enhanced" (read as "gratuitously different, in a bad way") variable substitution. I didn't know about that, per se, going into this, but I knew that there would be something. For flash disk, like on the i.Opener, or the new Compaq webpad, etc., image size is much more important. You can only fit so much into 45M, and a NetScape, an X server, a FreeBSD, and drivers for 2.4 GHz equipment and ppp are pretty much a very tight squeeze, even with a compressed ELF image loader. > Ohh.. and yess... I am still a confirmed anti-bloat screaming monger > from the good old days when a 10 command OS/8 CLI was just fine with > me, and PIP had more options than ls. I still regret the replacement of "tar" with "gnu tar", particularly the absolute path thingy; it seems that it snuck in under the cover of tar being unable to write holey files. I have been bitten more than once by "tar" not being "real tar", praticularly when scripting for portability between FreeBSD and AIX (AIX still has "real tar"). 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message