From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 21:57:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BB60BD6; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x236.google.com (mail-wg0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CD25125; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id y10so7727195wgg.27 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:57:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ORQhp1m/Pfv5BC+mZwReGwKsUQ7sXIdHZskFsmBM7b4=; b=oT2GYiS5c/LXux4r7FzxWiDhW7nc9yPUs6CgufzE1VvJ0QXM7WjKW546TmV6G9HByQ bFJrWm+uSLm07/8tlyCqXSICjjERYmdXDSAtvklRSCwd6/M5iP0ZiG//+byybDZXeuPJ 1hEDxwP25ulMbac+Ipiohu41tXB91Vo9Lsz/fzWe1typfXgTwibpgk27/Sqzy4SklGyC Aj7AmpeZNKKt1rUzujD2WGDLygw4R9PNoLlaTYyFKce9eVIAuUdI1xuZiVeFzwBij78J gxoPx97J96K01XEHyLmSoD3JNF5vef+aB0xtouhv7zguTypr5lHiIYCv9QvMhldQBr5U 0HTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.108.35 with SMTP id hh3mr543115wib.59.1416607049892; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:57:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:57:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7387FDB9-206F-418F-8B0B-D1FB9723A4D7@grondar.org> References: <201411200552.sAK5qnXP063073@svn.freebsd.org> <20141120084832.GE24601@funkthat.com> <20141121092245.GI99957@funkthat.com> <1416582989.1147.250.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <026FEB8A-CA8C-472F-A8E4-DA3D0AC44B34@grondar.org> <1416596266.1147.290.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <1416598889.1147.297.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <7387FDB9-206F-418F-8B0B-D1FB9723A4D7@grondar.org> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:57:29 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 387BA5uncCPocLEHUe63XUL9scE Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r274739 - head/sys/mips/conf From: Adrian Chadd To: Mark R V Murray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , Ian Lepore X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:57:32 -0000 On 21 November 2014 11:53, Mark R V Murray wrote: > >> On 21 Nov 2014, at 19:41, Ian Lepore wrote: >> The arrogance in the way you talk down to me about my right and ability >> to decide these things is mind-boggling. It's clear you're going to do >> whatever you want, so I guess I'll just shut up. > > I=E2=80=99m sorry for offence; that was unintended. > > Was *was* intended was to attempt to engage you in dialogue. You are > obviously annoyed, but after rather a lot of discussion (2 devsummits, > 1 EuroBSDCon and a lot of email), some form of consensus was required. > Unfortunately you are not one of those who could not be accommodated to > the extent that you desired. We obviously couldn=E2=80=99t make everyone = happy. > Some aspects of the compromise were things *I* really didn=E2=80=99t like= . > > I think there are ways round your problem, and I=E2=80=99ll be happy to h= elp you > get there. Please don=E2=80=99t just hold out for one particular solution= ; be > flexible. Unfortunately there are things that the real world expects on these silly embedded platforms that we can't avoid: * sshd as a requirement for remote access; * HTTPS as a requirement for remote access; * crypto available for WPA/WPA2 key negotiation for wifi access; and so on. So, we can't just "not" have random ready early at boot and only use non-crypto services, because the real world knocked on our door and said "We don't care about full security at boot; we'll gather entropy and improve things soon." So yes, I +1 needing some build option that lets us feed some crappy random numbers out at startup. I dislike it, but the realities of these ubiquitous embedded platforms is unfortunate :( -adrian