From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 18:24:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D3816A407; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chipmunk.ai.net (axe.ai.net [205.134.161.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C7C13C46A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) by chipmunk.ai.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l0MIOdxF039062; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:25 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ken Smith Message-Id: <20070122132425.1527d4b3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, murray.stokely@gmail.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, dienst@marcrenearns.de Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:24:37 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:17:12 -0500 Ken Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 11:11 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Sunday 21 January 2007 16:24, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:48:14PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > > On 1/18/07, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > =================================================================== > > > > >- { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel)", > > > > >+ { " sys", "/usr/src/sys (FreeBSD kernel; requires > > > > >'base' > > > > >to build)", > > > > > > > > I think this is a good solution. > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea as it's not actually required. > > > The sys/ part have traditionally been standalone. And if you're > > > not upgrading then "buildkernel" is just a convenience alias for > > > config/make method. Actually this method is always used except > > > that in the buildkernel case it will use an upgraded toolchain > > > if it was previously built by "buildworld". > > > > It is required for buildkernel as otherwise there's no Makefile in /usr/src > > with a buildkernel target. It's only not required if you do 'config, etc.' > > by hand, but 'make buildkernel' requires some sort of /usr/src/Makefile, > > obviously. :) > > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. > > The truth is the message should read "(FreeBSD kernel; requires 'base' > to build if you insist on using 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src to build > a kernel but if you know how to build a kernel 'manually' then 'base' is > not required)". But I don't think that fits in 80 columns... :-) > > The message as proposed above also begs the question "So why have sys as > a separate thing if all you can do is look at it?. That's not true but > it is what the message suggests. FreeBSD kernel; traditional build mechanism base; base sources including glue for buildkernel I'm not sure how the latter one is listed. -- Tom Rhodes