From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:57:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6884716A4CE; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:57:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from marlena.vvi.at (marlena.vvi.at [208.252.225.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0841D43D46; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:57:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from www@marlena.vvi.at) Received: from marlena.vvi.at (localhost.marlena.vvi.at [127.0.0.1]) by marlena.vvi.at (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j17E27bc056210; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:02:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@marlena.vvi.at) Received: (from www@localhost) by marlena.vvi.at (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j17E21Jb056209; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:02:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:02:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200502071402.j17E21Jb056209@marlena.vvi.at> To: kris@obsecurity.org From: "ALeine" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:04:58 +0000 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: k-sasaki@ist.osaka-u.ac.jp cc: rwatson@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Call for comments: CoxR, a CVS/mail-lists/BTS X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:57:04 -0000 kris@obsecurity.org wrote: > Consider not insulting the intelligence of the FreeBSD developers > if you want them to ever help you again with your kernel newbie > questions. That kind of trash-talking may be cool in other > projects, but around here it's not going to win you friends. Consider not mischaracterizing, belittling and alienating people for voicing their opinions. I had no intention of insulting anyone, my point was exactly the opposite of what you seem to believe - I claim that if such seasoned, highly intelligent and skilled developers do not feel comfortable making changes to certain subsystems then that is an indication that the complexity has gone too far. Let me reiterate, I believe the Core team members to be highly intelligent, skilled and friendly people and I have a lot of respect for them and their work. I have utmost respect for Mr. Watson because I believe he better than anyone else embodies the spirit of the Project, he is always very informative, thorough, helpful, friendly, polite, willing to share his vast knowledge and experience and offer his insight, unlike certain former Security Officers. ALeine ___________________________________________________________________ WebMail FREE http://mail.austrosearch.net