From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 20:18:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA17346 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA17331 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA09130; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:13:56 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199606270313.XAA09130@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: resend... To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I dropped -hackers of the list for this one... -chat seems better. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > I'm a fan of OS/x and Pyramid dual universe stuff (which I will add to > > Freebsd -- think universe bsd and universe gnu/linux) and EVEN I think ONE > > Yuck! That was a total kludge, and Apollo's variant symlinks a far > more powerful/flexible approach (plus you don't have an extra > "universe" command, you just set environment variables - principle of > least surprise). Please don't perpetuate that system! :-( I had a minimum exposure to Apollo -- just weeks. Both Pyramid and Masscomp used the conditional symbolic links. The universe command wasn't needed on the Pyramid since you could mix commands like ps -aux | att cut -f1 -d" " | ucb something all in a pipe. Very flexible. The users could have their universe set by the admin AT&T sold these as System 7000's and the users never knew there was BSD under the hood. Imagine a linux environment with the GNU tools for a cross development system in a "linux universe." Build there and get the Linux libs for default... Anyone else like the idea... (Yeah, I'm also looking at a SysV init/getty/ps)... AT&T types installed the multiple run state init/getty package. BSD'ers could delete the multiple run states by installing the bsd init package. It has 3 uucp's. HDB, SysVR2, and 4.3 and they will interoperate over TCP/IP. I'm going to do it here -- just on my machine. I'm root, I like it, I have no other users who will complain except my wife and she's stuck with me. My daughter's still working with DOS and Windows -- but she's two and young yet. She'll learn. Perhaps she'll even appreciate good old OS's like VAX/VMS and RSTS/E. > > > 2. Declare the BSD method (the REAL original crontab) the winner. > > I think this is probably our best bet. I think we should disable the crontab command and make things work like Edition VII/BSD (pre SysIII) again... This dual cron stuff is a real annoyance -- it was the cause of my vnode ref panics (which I should've caught a long time before the stuff made -hackers...). I tend to prefer the SysV stuff (it's closer to what I'm working with --AIX, Solaris, HP-UX -- even SunOS4)... but we should go one way or another. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win95 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here.