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To: Don Wilde , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> From: Manish Jain Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:04:49 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ClientProxiedBy: BM1PR0101CA0030.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:1096:b00:1a::16) To DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:10:126::7) X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <00406ce8-6efe-4988-676f-dc9c00aa60d4@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (103.195.202.30) by BM1PR0101CA0030.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:1096:b00:1a::16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3195.17 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:34:58 +0000 X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <00406ce8-6efe-4988-676f-dc9c00aa60d4@hotmail.com> X-TMN: [M2W7s51CskAXRPzgu+LiijgJ6nLCH+uw] X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-IncomingHeaderCount: 48 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: d5902df6-6b82-42c3-e370-08d82a2c4a85 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: VI1EUR05HT117: X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: p5NGX5kQD0FNQTsrV0FQm7swvdK4Zi5MQ7McRBZv0fH68nUUPzKNPE+4tzKxu+EvmEObK3a1V6mut50QzqlN5TV+aFUIhOq+/uVJnuNR8KxmdEJPS0oHAx3KfPgFKGhjMjo91uLzuyENONkLnSDuaoBUxeI602FdwQwOl2PGHKoab7lzFPukUIW2qm6QlYNElG43yjGweSgF8/ehKM9y7Q== X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:0; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:; DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: 4eVWnSKuEEIP6zVOPZ5D0AiPro6tTwftfbQH0U7+RBVwMHIs6odnkw+ApCLdMy6l1g0GM9MkIBZnRvu/gDK9ZsEgfhXP7vu+KOf+sw3cI3ZOClXauuByc3JYbnZTg2mDAq5oefe65rW0+lXM8KdyJA== X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: d5902df6-6b82-42c3-e370-08d82a2c4a85 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2020 08:34:59.6647 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: VI1EUR05FT007.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1EUR05HT117 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7PZF6qHLz3W2k X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=hotmail.com header.s=selector1 header.b=XVhSwuin; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=hotmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bourne.identity@hotmail.com designates 40.92.90.58 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bourne.identity@hotmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.93 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:40.92.0.0/15]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[hotmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.317]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[103.195.202.30:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.80.0.0/12, country:US]; FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[103.195.202.30:received]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_ALLOW(0.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.77)[-0.767]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.51)[0.510]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.92.90.58:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.92.90.58:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:35:04 -0000 On 2020-07-17 13:57, Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/16/20 7:40 PM, Manish Jain wrote: >> >> >> On 2020-07-17 01:49, Don Wilde wrote: >>> The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 >>> boot loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called >>> 'Windows boot loader'. >>> >>> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my >>> old boot files are gone. >>> >>> It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on >>> this unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. >>> >>> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those >>> [deleted]s tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I >>> will erase every vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >>> >> >> If I understand correctly, it's just that your Grub boot-loader is gone. >> > Yes, exactly. > > >> That should not be much of a problem if your system is MBR+BIOS. >> > Unfortunately, it's GPT under EFI. I can access all my files through the > F12 key on this Dell tower, be it Windows, Linux or FreeBSD, but if I > allow it to boot with the Doze HDD in the system, it boots to that one. >> If your system is MBR+BIOS, the following should work. >> >> Boot with your FreeBSD CD/DVD/memstick, and write out boot0 to all >> your disks: >> >> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >> >> Next, boot with your Ubuntu CD/DVD/memstick, and write out Grub to >> your Ubuntu / partition. If Ubuntu / is /dev/sdb2 : >> >> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt >> sudo grub-install --force --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb2 >> >> Reboot. When booting Ubuntu the first time, first press 'e' at the >> Grub loader menu to edit the configuration, delete the complete if..fi >> block, check that your line beginning with 'linux' is accurate and >> then press F10. Once the system  has booted, run 'sudo update-grub'. >> > I appreciate the good data, Manish. I'm going to make sure I've gotten > all my files off the Doze partition and then wipe it completely. FreeBSD > is going to be my primary host OS and I'll keep my other drive for > whatever flavors of Linux I need to work with for work. Based on what > I've hseen on these threads, MS is still saddled with a number of bad > legacy architectural choices as well as poor management choices, and > both of those contribute to the challenges the use of their OS brings. > > I simply won't accept any contract that requires me to work with > Windows. I've survived well enough without that skill set and I see no > problem going forward. > Hi Done, It is further my sincere suggestion to use MBR+BIOS. GPT+UEFI is problem-prone, with one of the problems being that you won't be able to boot FreeBSD. Regards, Manish Jain