From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 10 02:06:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD4D16A401 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D9A13C4A7 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.14]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37421E5495; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:06:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mail-in-02-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7DD11391C; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:06:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (dslb-084-061-150-238.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.150.238]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AA219B321; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:06:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiste.my.domain (root@kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.2]) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l1A26eoO003870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:06:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from kiste.my.domain (lofi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiste.my.domain (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1A26da1015241; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:06:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by kiste.my.domain (8.13.6/8.13.4/Submit) id l1A26clg015240; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:06:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kiste.my.domain: lofi set sender to lofi@freebsd.org using -f From: Michael Nottebrock To: vistua@sdf.lonestar.org Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:06:36 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <45CBA137.7050701@isp.com> <20070209081333.GA834@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <45CCEC2A.7070800@isp.com> In-Reply-To: <45CCEC2A.7070800@isp.com> X-Face: g:jG2\O{-yqD1x?DG2lU1)(v%xffR"p8Nz(w/*)YEUO\Hn%mGi&-!+rq$&r64,=?utf-8?q?fuP=7E=3Bbw=5C=0A=09=5EQdX?=@v~HEAi?NaE8SU]}.oeYSjN84Fe{M(ahZ.(i+lxyP; pr)2[%mGbkY'RmM>=?utf-8?q?+mg3Y=24ip=0A=091?=@Z>[EUaE7tjJ=1DRs~:!uSd""d~:/Er3rpQA%ze|bp>S MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart8873188.dNgKqkqs1I"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200702100306.38076.lofi@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:06:47 -0000 --nextPart8873188.dNgKqkqs1I Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 9. February 2007 22:48, John Walthall wrote: > Because of known problems with=20 > PPPD, KPPP should provide at least the option of using user land PPP. > You may of course differ from this view. However, unless a large outcry > arises, I will not close the bug. I think that it is, in-fact a bug. > Bugs are sometimes a bit subjective. The KPPP Developers can always > ignore me. No, bugs are not 'a bit subjective'. With just a little actual analysis and= =20 straight thinking it is very easy to determine what is a bug and where the= =20 bug is. The fact that KPPP does not support ppp(8) is not a bug, it is a missing=20 feature. If you want to request a feature, you open a wish, not a bug, you= =20 word it nicely and preferably attach some code that implements that feature= ,=20 because this is how community-driven open source development works. Did it= =20 ever cross your mind that the KPPP developer(s) might not even use FreeBSD? The fact that machines panic or freeze when KPPP is used is not a bug in KP= PP=20 either, because KPPP is nothing but a front-end to the software that causes= =20 the problem. By principle, a kernel panic or freeze is never an application= 's=20 fault, because the kernel should never panic and never freeze, no matter wh= at=20 an application does. Therefore, the bug report needs to go into FreeBSD's=20 bugtracker (someone else already filed one, see my previous mails for the=20 URL), not KDE's. All that your "bug report" accomplishes is broadcasting your bad and=20 uninformed attitude to an even bigger audience. It is in your own and the=20 =46reeBSD community's best interest to backtrack before anyone gets to form= a=20 negative opinion on both. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart8873188.dNgKqkqs1I Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFzSiuXhc68WspdLARAtwZAJ94j8/M9tDX/jKSHYj+OuVMvHvYFwCcD59B sQmYuUA5JXka9szeNchgms4= =PcJQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart8873188.dNgKqkqs1I--