From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 4 02:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B51616A404 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 02:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mhjacks@swbell.net) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4430A43D48 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 02:45:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mhjacks@swbell.net) Received: (qmail 33570 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 02:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anduril.minas.tirith) (mhjacks@swbell.net@65.67.72.193 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 02:45:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by anduril.minas.tirith (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0E52E030; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:45:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at minas.tirith Received: from anduril.minas.tirith ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (anduril.minas.tirith [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voi-e42Nm7Wa; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (arwen.minas.tirith [192.168.2.102]) by anduril.minas.tirith (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FBE2E02E; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44596AB4.9090207@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:45:08 -0500 From: Martin Jackson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <20060502171853.GG753@dimma.mow.oilspace.com> <20060502172225.GA90840@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060502174429.GH753@dimma.mow.oilspace.com> <44579EE1.6010300@rogers.com> <20060502180557.GA91762@xor.obsecurity.org> <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060502182302.GA92027@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504014241.GA38346@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20060504014241.GA38346@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Watson , stable@freebsd.org, David Kirchner Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 02:45:19 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 06:21:39PM -0700, David Kirchner wrote: >> On 5/3/06, Robert Watson wrote: >>> This means that >>> they will take a significant amount of time to fix, and that each fix is >>> high >>> risk, as it is likely to reveal latent bugs. This means that each fix will >>> require a lot of testing -- months of testing, in fact. So the choice is >>> really, do we release 6.1, or do we skip it and do a 6.2 in a few months. >>> As >>> the release engineer, Scott has concluded that releasing now offers a great >>> benefit to many people, although the bugs present may penalize some. Mind >>> you, in some cases the bugs also exist in 6.0, so they don't represent >>> regressions, so much as bugs that continue to persist. >> However, one could argue that as quotas worked OK in releases prior to >> 6.0 (and perhaps earlier), that there is a longer-term regression. > > There was a quota regression in 6.0. It was fixed 2 months ago. > AFAIK snapshots and quotas are also broken in 5.x, so the remaining > problem is not a regression. The reasons it cannot be fixed in 6.1 > have already been discussed. 1) 6.1 will have many improvements in many areas, including, of great interest to me, gvinum, and if_bridge/pf fixes. It makes sense to release these improvements, as well as others. 2) This is re@'s call. There has also been mention of the quota issue being addressed as an errata item. 3) There's always -STABLE. :) Some people have to make tough decisions on projects like this. We may not always agree on the decisions that are made, but can't we respect the people who have the responsibility to make them? Marty