From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 16:10:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F2A16A41F for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:10:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from csaba@beastie.creo.hu) Received: from beastie.creo.hu (www.creo.hu [217.113.62.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E3043D48 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:10:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from csaba@beastie.creo.hu) Received: from beastie.creo.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.creo.hu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VG92Un088341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:09:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from csaba@beastie.creo.hu) Received: (from csaba@localhost) by beastie.creo.hu (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j9VG92ot088340; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:09:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from csaba) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:09:02 +0100 From: Csaba Henk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051031160902.GI2911@beastie.creo.hu> References: <20051030134902.GG2911@beastie.creo.hu> <72cf361e0510300958w33bf3u3f754e68794b858d@mail.gmail.com> <43651D7B.6000005@computer.org> <20051031140038.GH2911@beastie.creo.hu> <43663AE0.2040606@computer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43663AE0.2040606@computer.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Eric Schuele Subject: Re: backup strategies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:10:26 -0000 On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 09:40:16AM -0600, Eric Schuele wrote: > How do snapshots work and how do they provide the consistency necessary > for a dump? [...] > > SoftUpdates are required on the filesystem. This sounds beautiful. I am amazed. I knew of softupdates, but they were always a shady corner of my understanding of BSD. So live fs dumping is based on the great hackery of softupdates. Fine, but in this case... shouldn't the man page make a mention of it? It just says that -L is ignored in case of unmounted/ro mounted fs-s, or if there is no proper .snap dir. But it doesn't say that it will be ignored if softupdates is not turned on... Going a bit off: which OS-es provide this live snapshot dumping capability? FreeBSD? FreeBSD >= 5.x ? *BSD ? Maybe something else? (AFAIK, softupdates is supported also in other members of the BSD family, yet the NetBSD dump manpage didn't have such a -L flag...) -- Csaba Henk My sense of humour is often too subtle to cope with getting smileyd. Please don't take it personal.