From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 08:46:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2F51065674 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E672B8FC1F for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3M8kkw2003609; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:46:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m3LK6dxe001739; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:06:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:06:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tore Lund In-Reply-To: <480A6538.5000102@next.online.no> Message-ID: <20080421220526.T1721@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <790871.1688.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9bbcef730804180840y77adff73x7ad0cf90c82633a9@mail.gmail.com> <200804192005.06962.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <9bbcef730804191302t31eaf472s1b7e64fe5915b9b1@mail.gmail.com> <480A6538.5000102@next.online.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sidetracked: why gjournal over soft-updates (Was: Re: UFS2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:46:52 -0000 >> than SU > > The caching can be stopped by putting "hw.ata.wc=0" into > /boot/loader.conf. Doesn't that settle this point about safety? but that's not needed. UPS is enough. even if your machine will halt/crash/panic, drive cache will be written then. > Since we use softupdates and others use gjournal, one suspects that > there are reasons why "real" journaling systems have not been adopted. softupdates works very well, and doesn't write the same thing twice, like journaling.