From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 5 17:07:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C8BDBE84C for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 17:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [209.237.23.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx5.roble.com", Issuer "mx5.roble.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B4E6802BC for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 17:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from roble.com (roble.com [209.237.23.50]) by mx5.roble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B85FC2D for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ban on spam-sender domains from posting to freebsd-questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 17:07:04 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > Can you please discuss this thread off-list or send mail to postmaster@ Been there, done that, as have others. Either there is no postmaster @{,lists.}freebsd.org or they are filtering and/or ignoring questions about the constant spam being sent to all freebsd lists. > This has nothing todo with problems in or questions about *FreeBSD*. It does though. Legitimate list messages are blocked when list member's MTAs reject spam sent via a freebsd.org list and the Mailman list software subsequently suspends the subscription. This can happen to anyone subscribed to more than one freebsd.org list. Why freebsd.org does not follow standard practice of moderating mail from non-members is the question we should be asking. It's not like this takes any real effort or like there have not been several volunteers. Mailman also allows for moderation of new members. Given that spammers and bots can and do subscribe and trojans do parse addressbooks it is both unprofessional and reflects poorly on all freebsd maintainers that freebsd.org's postmaster / Mainman maintainer does not follow this standard practice either. Finally, any MTA not using zen.spamhaus, spamassassin, dcc, razor, pyzor et al is not, by definition, properly configured. Claims that 'it tends to come in bursts, but really isn't that much' or 'having a subscriber only policy doesn't necessarily prevent spam' tend to indicate the claimant knows little about list moderation or spam filter or has a vested interest in UCE. IMO, Roger Marquis