From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 4 04:42:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1280B16A405 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: from smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21FD143D49 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:42:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 26674 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 04:42:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hRRgF3jltodqs3q9MJIGitIR91xYY5ztbjAeriAhpIrmUVrwuncH0S4lDBgqjGL2I8YakNaL3q5s/pnc8mnjShfrTg4LbH5KjYSq+7CBZnVEUQMpAEjn/lMLAPRwgkDtpkNb1UxAMiSfcGLQZR10Krck98rAMHaX06aaUqWSvNg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.31.50.218?) (mikej@rogers.com@70.31.50.218 with plain) by smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 04:42:10 -0000 Message-ID: <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:41:57 -0400 From: Mike Jakubik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <20060502172225.GA90840@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060502174429.GH753@dimma.mow.oilspace.com> <44579EE1.6010300@rogers.com> <20060502180557.GA91762@xor.obsecurity.org> <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060502182302.GA92027@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504021908.GA714@soaustin.net> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Watson , Mark Linimon , stable@freebsd.org, David Kirchner Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 04:42:12 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 08:11:32PM -0700, David Kirchner wrote: > >> On 5/3/06, Mark Linimon wrote: >> >>> To summarize: at some point you do, indeed, have to ship something. You >>> have to choose a point where the least number of users will see regressions >>> vs. the most number of users will see improvements. (Not everyone uses >>> quotas.) >>> >> FWIW, the snapshot bugs, particularly those seen during background >> fscks, can affect every installation, although you're unlikely to see >> them unless your server panics or loses power (or in some way requires >> a fsck on boot). >> > > You missed the part where snapshots have caused deadlocks under > varying conditions since day 1. They have never worked 100% reliably, > and despite our best efforts that will remain true with 6.1. > > Kris > Then why utilize a known non-functional technology?