From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 10 15:25:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8168D37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B7243E6A for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H28001DIU97M8@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:24:47 -0400 From: Lawrence Sica Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-reply-to: <20020910211756.GF4470@drew.rain3s.net> To: Drew Raines Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <1D890CC2-C50C-11D6-8708-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 05:17 PM, Drew Raines wrote: > Lawrence Sica wrote: >> >> Jesus by his actions lived by not persecuting "Let he who is >> without sin cas the first stone". Remember that line? > > Have you actually read the Bible or do you quote it fourth-hand > for fun? > Yes I have read it. Many many times. > Jesus persecuted unbelievers constantly, especially the > religious leaders of his time. He walked around saying he was > the only way to God, which, in that time, were the most > horrible words someone could utter. > > As far as your ``quote,'' Jesus said that after the Pharisees > brought an adulterous woman to the temple to try and trick him > into saying she should be put to death, the Jewish penalty for > such an act. Instead, he told them, ``He who is without sin > among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her'' (John > 8:7, NASB). His point was, just like Romans 3:23, that ``all > have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.'' They > deserved a stone in the head just as much or more than the > woman for their unbelief. > Romans isn't Jesus' words. And I read what he said as you have no right to stone her because you are not pure either. He told ppl he brought a new law...and that the old laws were no longer applicable. > However, Jesus is not subject to his implication. He is God. > He is perfect. He is without sin. He has full rights to > persecute at his leisure. > >> Also the Bible was used as justification by twisting >> interpretations and making up meanings. The story of Noah >> and the flood was used to justify slavery at one point. > > God can make up all the meaning he wants. That's why I trust > him with my salvation. How the flood, however, justifies > slavery is a mystery. Care to elaborate? > The son who looked at noah naked? Remember him? Well it was said his children would serve the rest...I forget his name off the top of my head. But it was then used that blacks were descended from the one son, so they could be slaves. --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message