From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 2 14:24:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5561E37B40D for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 65653 invoked by uid 100); 2 Nov 2001 22:24:35 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15331.7459.503822.857563@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:24:35 -0600 To: David Scheidt Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NatWest? no thanks In-Reply-To: References: <15331.5049.557178.962643@guru.mired.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Scheidt types: > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > If you go back and read the DOJ document I cited, specifically the > > paragraph titled "Fifth Circuit Avoids Ruling on Internet Coverage", > > you'll find that the Department of Justice thinks there is no > > precedent for the ADA applying to commercial web sites. While the DOJ > > clearly feels that commercial web sites should be covered, as they > > filed a brief with the fifth circuit court to that effect, and I agree > > with them, the best legal precedent they have says otherwise. > > Well, not quite. Doesn't say it's otherwise, doesn't say it's not > otherwise. They ducked the issue. Given that it doesn't cost much money to > design an accessable site, but it does cost lots of money to retrofit one so > it's accessable, it's silly to do otherwise. The Fifth Circuit court ducked the issue, the District Court ruling is the one I was referring to. I'd love a solid precedent saying that commercial web sites were covered by the ADA. As for the costs - I gave up trying to tell people that five years ago, because nobody cared. As far as I can tell, they still don't. The question of expensive retrofits was brought up in the congressional hearings on the matter, and the ADA doesn't require them. It's going to take something major to make most web designers notice. Since AOL agreeing to redesign their software for accessability to end the lawsuit with The National Federation for the Blind wasn't major enough, I have no idea what would be. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message