From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 9 14:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C9B16A415 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fredrik.widlund@qbrick.com) Received: from mail.qbrick.com (mail.qbrick.com [62.13.40.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9301E43D49 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:36:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fredrik.widlund@qbrick.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.qbrick.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FE951978; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:35:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.qbrick.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail0.p0.w0.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 83624-02-26; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:35:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.43.0.2] (fkwd0.p0.u3.local [10.43.0.2]) by mail.qbrick.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4155197E; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:35:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45533CE7.9040904@qbrick.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:36:23 +0100 From: Fredrik Widlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marko Lerota References: <20061109085603.GA28869@math.jussieu.fr> <86y7qk3oel.fsf@sparrow.local> <20061109111237.GD4136@math.jussieu.fr> <86wt6426zh.fsf@sparrow.local> <20061109132041.GA3559@math.jussieu.fr> <8664doogt9.fsf@sparrow.local> In-Reply-To: <8664doogt9.fsf@sparrow.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at qbrick.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, shih@math.jussieu.fr Subject: Re: Downgrade to 5.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:36:31 -0000 Marko Lerota wrote: > Someone said on this list, that priority now are new features, so developers > have no time to fix bugs. I prefer stability over the new features also, and > most of the people on this list I think. That's one of the reasons that > I escaped from Penguins. > I agree to the above. I understand that the dev team are under a heavy workload right now, are doing their best etc, but FreeBSD has been our main platform for many years and since 6.x it has become a great problem instead. We can no longer buy the hardware that used to work, we can't afford unstable systems, and I'm not sure we can achieve a stable 6.2 on the hardware. If this continues we have no choice but to leave fbsd. I'm not criticizing the fbsd team, I'm very grateful for their efforts, but this is a fact of life for us and a major worry. >> I'm not developper, then I don't known the problem of FreeBSD, but I'm very >> sad to see the situation of 6.x (em problem, watchdog, crash etc...). Now >> I'm looking of OpenBSD.... >> > > I'm not developer also, but I think that OpenBSD and FreeBSD developers > share the code. At least for scsi controllers and ethernet cards. So it's > possible to have the same problem on OpenBSD. Could someone enlighten me? > I'm a dedicated OpenBSD user since many years, and I haven't seen these problems there, but then again I run other solutions on obsd. Imho obsd tend to be less focused on features and 0-day support, and more focused on auditing, stability and security. For example obsd doesn't support pe1950 yet. For a router/firewall/dnsserver and similar solutions I'd go obsd anyday. For, say, a performance optimized apache cluster I'd go fbsd, but only if I could achieve stable system. Kind regards, Fredrik Widlund