From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 10 23:12:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADCE37B406 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frl.nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB33443E4A for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (unknown [10.0.1.2]) by frl.nisser.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0827EAF2; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:12:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3DA66BDF.7020602@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:12:47 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020523 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How now, BSD crow? References: <3DA63909.1090108@eboa.com> <20021011034059.GB37217@xor.obsecurity.org> <3DA6567D.1040709@eboa.com> <20021011054106.GA39456@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 06:41:33AM +0200, Roelof Osinga wrote: > >>Kris Kennaway wrote: >> > > You don't have these files *INSTALLED* yet. cvsupping doesn't install > them for you, 'make world' (not 'make buildworld'!) does. Yeah. But in my notes which I've written down based on actions inspired by this mailling list, sometimes somethings needed to be done before and sometimes things needed to be done after. For a poor luser it is a murky mess, indeed. For the programmers, of course, it is very clear indeed. I know. I'm one of those. But my clients will agree with me on this ;). > In LINT (the canonical place where kernel options are documented) Canons be darned. /usr/src/UPGRADING is what everybody gets told to read. Not to inspect the canons. Whatever those may be. Especially LINT. LINT is nice if you want to look something up, but it is not a hands-on manual that leads one through all the steps needing to be taken to implement some such thingamathing or other. While I'm typing this, it just occurred to me. Some years ago the world got rocked once again. There was something about making the world versus explicitly building it and installing it. Later it all got changed again. Every one of those changes was deemed important. Every one of those changes changed things. People don't like changes. Monkeys don't either. Dolphins I don't know. My pitch is way off. So I, for one, don't really pay attention. I just do. If it don't work, well gosh. Bummer. Either I can fix it or I will need to sollicit help. Either way, I don't feel ashamed. The canonical place... yeah, right! ;) Roelof PS it is 'in cannons we trust', not canons! -- _______________________________________________________________________ EBOAź est. 1982 http://www.EBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@EBOA.com?subject=Information_request To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message