From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 3 21:33:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08762 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08754 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10386; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807040433.VAA10386@implode.root.com> To: Greg Lehey cc: Jacques Vidrine , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Jolitz book cancelled? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:39:43 +0930." <19980704133943.Z358@freebie.lemis.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:33:57 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> You might be able to argue that being the case with NetBSD (cgd's >> arguments with Bill being well known and public), but "personality" >> conflicts with Bill were certainly not what FreeBSD grew out of. In >> fact, we gave Bill every last chance to lead and he chose not to, >> but we certainly didn't form in spite of him or due to any argument >> with him. > >My understanding was that you gave him every chance to fix bugs and >improve the product, including supplying the bug fixes, but he chose >not to. As a result, and somewhat reluctantly if I recall, you >decided that the only way to get past the patch kit was to start up >your own distribution. How am I doing? The patch kit was getting too large (over 24MB of patches) so we needed to organize and manage the stuff with a source control system. We formed a group to produce "386BSD Interim-0.1.5" while we waited for Bill to integrate the appropriate patches and release the next official release of 386BSD. Bill agreed to this course of action and everything was fine...until one day he decided he didn't want us calling it "386BSD", apparantly because he thought it would confuse people and/or tarnish his baby. Since he owned the trademark, we had no choice but to comply. We could have chosen to just say "oh well, we give up", but instead we figured that Bill was never going to release another 386BSD and decided to release our own BSD, and that became FreeBSD 1.0. I'm conspicuously leaving out NetBSD in this explaination as that was too painful for me to mention. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message