From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 19 08:04:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A64106564A for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timp87@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CE78FC13 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi40 with SMTP id 40so1829039wyi.13 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:04:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IGa/uj2m6abHYNco48ai5we+mZbXlfHYESp3naZJtfs=; b=G7UQXJEfi080Kkl44raLpVBwl5UnGUCpFEJ5EcVRpldJB6WBFMvYEteuWgIRqpCrKP gRWKr49JA/6yjJYtVQ6ArkAFlxX4qa453sAhMxbx1pQjfXSRcTXX0jnuWMJWppfRbRWM TwHuWei6wrjEcrsLIwBfBvw/uWgQfbF1Nyt2c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.6.25 with SMTP id 25mr9681358fax.14.1319011485622; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.24.67 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:04:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111015093159.3679afd6@zelda.sugioarto.com> References: <20111015093159.3679afd6@zelda.sugioarto.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:04:45 +0400 Message-ID: From: Pavel Timofeev To: Martin Sugioarto X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:24:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: x.0 RELASE isn't for production. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:04:47 -0000 2011/10/15 Martin Sugioarto > Am Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:55:28 +0400 > schrieb Pavel Timofeev : > > > That's what most people think. > > Hi! > > I'm not thinking this. This is made up by users who only adapt slowly > to changes and features. Look at the whole crowd which got furious about > the new Microsoft Office. I tell you, in one year, no one will cry about > it anymore. Sometimes, I feel like I am the only who is happy about good > ideas, even when they change something drastically. The most people > think "Whoa... I have to learn again!"... and then silently accept it > when it is very late, because everyone else already migrated. > No, i don't care about new features or big changes. I love it! I care about bugs, that people finds while BETA/RC. > > This has nothing to do with release quality, because the efforts to > make a production release of x.0 are much higher, in my opinion. So the > quality is generally better, if you have enough time to make this > release. > > For me the worst FreeBSD release ever was 5.3. Even 5.0 BETAs worked > better on my hardware. I also stopped using FreeBSD at that time until > 7.0 BETAs arrived. > > > And when BETA/RC time comes users rush like mad to test it. And they > > find errors and bugs. Writing PR, emails and even !pathes! > > But the lion's share of these pathes doesn't get into the coming BETA > > or RC. > > Yes. I'm waiting for my /sbin/dump fix to get verified and committed. > It's really disappointing to see the next release without a functioning > backup possibility (for my configuration here). > kern/160678? A good example. I give 5$ that this fix won't be in 9.0 RELEASE =) I know a few other important PRs that won't be in 9.0 RELEASE. Thats why I wrote initial email. > Fortunately, I don't see a fixed release date, yet. I hope the > developers fix as much as possible even when we see 9.0R in late 2012. > > -- > Martin >