From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 15:22:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF43F1065679 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47728FC19 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m59FHmoh013760; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:17:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id m59FHmva013759; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:17:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:17:48 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Tobias Hoellrich Message-ID: <20080609151748.GA13657@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:22:57 -0000 On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 05:09:08PM -0700, Tobias Hoellrich wrote: > [Disclaimer: I work for Adobe Systems. I have nothing to do with the > Flash Player. I'm a grunt who works on other stuff. This is my personal > opinion as a long-time FreeBSD user and I'm not making any statements > for Adobe.] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jona Joachim > > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:58 PM > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Flashplugin > > > > Flash is a big pain IMO. > > The Flash question has been asked *a lot* of times on this list. > > The answer usually boils down to "use www/nspluginwrapper" or "use > > linux-firefox". Both "solutions" are far from optimal. > > My solution is to simply ignore Flash content. It makes your > > "online experience" > > much more enjoyable. This is my personal choice of course. > > ... > > That's simply wrong. The Flash format byte-code is *not* proprietary. If > you want to, you can go ahead and create your own Flash Player. The > specifications for the format are freely available at: > http://www.adobe.com/openscreenproject/developers/ This is encouraging. Is that info really enough to create a player such as Flash 9? I hope some folks will take a good shot at it. It is really beyond me. > > And Gnash (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/), which was started before > the spec was available, will certainly benefit from this. > > And to address a previous message: if your bank requires you to use the > Flash Player to make a transaction, then you will need to get in touch > with your bank and not blame it on the non-existence of the Flash Player > on your platform. A disabled person with a text-only browser or a > screen-reader will certainly have the same issues. Companies who insist on their front pages and their functional things such as sales using flash or some other gimmick are inflicted with persons who are more interested in supplanting their egos than making the online product work for the company. But, if the web page has all its business in normal html and only uses flash and other such stuff as extra attraction and advertising then, no problem. A little eye candy on the side is not the issue. It is when the essentials are all blocked and made non-functional by the eye candy that the company and/or web designer is way off base. > > My offer stands: if anybody can provide the numbers above, I'm going to > forward them to the right people and work things from my end. The numbers come out each month (BSD Stats), but unfortunately they really represent only a fraction of the actual number of BSD systems in use. They also do not distinguish between server and desktop use -- which is sometimes impossible anyway since many systems, such as the one I am typing on right now, are used for both. ////jerry > > Don't beat me up, I'm for the support - even if I'm not using FreeBSD as > a desktop OS. > > Thanks and happy weekend - Tobias > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >