From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 11 4:20:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA9237B400 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9225943E3B for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yid@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 25779 invoked by uid 417); 11 Sep 2002 11:18:52 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 11:18:52 -0000 Received: from planb ([216.194.2.204]) (AUTH: LOGIN yid@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:18:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:18:45 -0400 From: Joshua Lee To: Drew Raines Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-Id: <20020911071845.43665d57.yid@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20020910215545.GI4470@drew.rain3s.net> References: <20020909215202.78267872.yid@softhome.net> <20020910094316.H62741-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> <20020910152310.5e6e2964.yid@softhome.net> <20020910215545.GI4470@drew.rain3s.net> Organization: Plan B Software Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:55:45 -0500 Drew Raines wrote: > Joshua Lee wrote: > > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > It's called "justice." The eternal punishment of sinners > > > certainly does serve God's purposes. > > > > I don't think I've done anything lately deserving of eternal > > punishment, if I did one would think the cops would have > > found out by now. ;-) > > The writer to the Hebrews wrote, ``without faith it is > impossible to please Him'' (11:6). Not ``pleasing'' God is > most definitely sin, so whatever you do out of faith is sin. > > Romans 3:23 all over again. We all live our lives deserving > eternal punishment. This is the reason we worship Christ, our > savior. I'm Jewish, so quotations from the NT aren't particularly convincing to me. You'll have to convince me with reason, which I doubt can be mustered to defend this idea of eternal-torture-by-god. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message