From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Dec 12 17:36: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3DC14D2D for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00308 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:36:00 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA51800 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:36:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles516.castles.com [208.214.165.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6F514D2D; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:35:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04644; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:38:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199912130138.RAA04644@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Julian Elischer Cc: Mike Smith , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recent face to face threads talks. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:43:36 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:38:33 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > During the proceedings, it became very clear that only a small number of > > attendees have taken the time to perform any substantial research on the > > topic. None of the ideas being discussed are new; they've all been > > looked at many, many years ago. If we're going to maintain our > > reputation for careful implementation of time-tested ideas and > > techniques, we need to avail ourselves of the work of others, and that > > means hunting down and reading the large volume of research output on the > > topic. > > The discussion was not so much a description of all that has been done > in the past but a discussion of some of the ideas that we have already > narrowed down to given that we want to implement it in something vaguely > related to the current system. I think a lot of the discussion was > from the perspective of: "What can we implement in arealistic time > scale". It wasn't so much that; a lot of it was "how about this way" followed by "that's a 12-year-old idea and it doesn't work". That's time wasted that we don't have, hence the comment. > > I know that Terry has a reading list, and I'm sure that others do as > > well. I think it'd be to our great advantage to have these lists > > distributed as well as a central repository of papers and references > > created so that we pull ourselves past the discussing of half-baked ideas > > and avoid several years worth of wheel reinvention. > > We've already published a list of threading related papers on this mailing > list but I am sure we can do it again. Just posting the list isn't enough; we need a central repository that we can post this stuff on. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message