From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 13 15:59:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468722F9D1E for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49MfWX1yYKz4D3k for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.143.112]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9FE9C4E652 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:59:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <17e9d3c4-2cab-922c-c3d8-1ebef0073556@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <8613e709-791e-c09a-06d7-c8505d556327@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:59:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49MfWX1yYKz4D3k X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[112.143.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.19)[ip: (0.54), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.27), asn: 160(0.21), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:59:53 -0000 On 5/13/20 10:48 AM, matthew@FreeBSD.org wrote: > On 13/05/2020 15:48, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now >> that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is >> mailman 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 >> port. I wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about >> mailman 3. I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did. > > There's a long thread about this already on the freebsd-ports@ list, > starting with this message: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2020-April/118351.html > > and there's this PR: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225543 > > The problem is that mailman3 is apparently badly documented; has been > rewritten in a way significantly incompatible with existing mailman2 > setups and despite being 5 years old, is still missing some important > functionality that mailman2 has. Thank you, Matthew! You really summarized for lazy person - me - the situation. Whereas mailman2 was brilliantly written by brilliant programmers - even with use of "sneaky snake" python, mailman3 is not such. Maybe, the programmers team has changed. Or maybe - like in Mozilla Foundation - the jumpy nonsense "production director" came there... All in all, this just confirms the vitality of second question: What is best replacement for mailman? What to migrate mail lists to? Valeri > >     Cheers, > >     Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++