From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 28 11:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24853 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24820 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (narn-1-96.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.134.96]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.0) id NAA15335; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:54:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA29980; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:55:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980628185458.ZM29979@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:54:58 +0000 In-Reply-To: Josef Grosch "Re: Does it's true?" (Jun 28, 2:16am) References: <199806272245.RAA20572@nospam.hiwaay.net> <980628081907.ZM29169@darkstar.connect.com> <19980628021659.A3265@mooseriver.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com, Frank Pawlak , David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Does it's true? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Jun 28, 2:16am, Josef Grosch wrote: > Subject: Re: Does it's true? > On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 08:19:07AM +0000, Frank Pawlak wrote: > > On Jun 27, 5:45pm, David Kelly wrote: > > > Subject: Re: Does it's true? > > > "Frank Pawlak" writes: > > > > > > > > Even the deer, a relatively small animal during the rut can pose a > > > > danger. And that leads me to my point. Knowing what the animal is > > > > all about before entering its' environment enables you to minimize the > > > > risk of harm and allow the animal to live right along side of you. > > > > > > Rutting has very little to do with deer and automobiles. "Headlights" > > > are the cause of automobile/deer unintentional interfaces. Its common > > > for a deer to freeze staring into the oncoming headlights. Often the > > > deer is on the side of the road, freezes, doesn't panic until the > > > automobile is very close. Then jumps in front of the automobile. > > > > You are right about the effects of headlights on causing deer to freeze. > > However male deer are more active and agressive during the rutting > > season. I was speaking in terms of personal danger, being in the woods > > during the rutting season, and not necessarily deer and and cars. > > > > One must also remember that roads and highways ofter intersect the > "natural" path the deer take between their feeding and sleeping area. I > used to know of several in both the Twin Cities and Chicago area. You > could almost set a watch to the deer crossing the highway. Often at sunrise > and sunset with the predictable results. > > > > > > > Lets cure this problem once and for all, lets outlaw headlights. > > > > > > "the deer, a relatively small animal" Hah! You've never seen a typical > > > Detroit-built American Land Barge totaled by one little deer? One > > > little deer can easily destroy the bumper, headlights, grill, hood, > > > fender and windshield. If the roof line gets bent too, the vehicle is > > > usually totaled. > > > > Hah! try running into a moose sometime, Guaranteed the damage will be > > greater. > > Larger animal = greater damage. Not too difficult. > > Agree. The average male White Tail weighs around 350 lbs. and is around > 4 foot high at the shoulder. The average male moose, around 1300 lbs. > and over 6 foot at the shoulder. > > I once saw a Nissan pickup hit a moose on US highway 61, which runs between > Duluth and Thunder Bay. The moose got up and calmly walked into the > woods. The Nissan looked like a beer can that some one had dropped a 5 lb > sledgehammer on. > > > > > > > There is probably not a single Wal-Mart or K-Mart in the continental US > > > that doesn't sell "deer whistles" to be mounted on your front bumper. > > > The theory is a deer will run from the right high pitched whistle as > > > some vehicles were observed to be hit by deer very rarely, and guessed > > > this was due to their sound. > > > > I am well aware of these devices and their purpose. I have heard that > > they do work. I have racked up about 100,000 miles driving between > > Minneapolis and Milwaukee, a 750 mile round trip, and have yet to hit a > > deer. That area of the state has a very heavy deer population. I don't > > use whistles. Maybe I am just luckey or careful and have some knowledge > > of what to look for when deer are present. A lot of those miles were > > driven in the 90 mph range. Course I also drive race cars, not as much > > as I use to, which may account for alertness and quick reactions. > > > > I do not agree. My first wife had one of those things on her car and in the > 4 years she had the car she must have hit 2 deer a year. The car was > trashed by the time we got rid of it. It became a standing joke with the > local police to ask her if she had a permit to hunt deer with her car. ;-) > My experance is that those devices have no affect weither you hit a deer or > not. I have known people who had them and never hit a deer and people who > had them who were getting their limit every season using their car. > > My guess is that if you were running between Minneapolis and Milwaukee you > were taking 90/94 and you were going through the area with the high deer > population either at night or midday, both times when the deer are resting. > That is route I travel, and have seen many beautiful sunrises and sunsets along the way. I have seen deer grazing on the median strips on 90/94 many times. So, yes I was on the road during the times that deer were on the move. Being a former avid deer hunter, I do know their habits quite well. For example, I'd hunt the early morning and late afternoon hours, and take the rest of the day for other things. Frank > Josef > > -- > Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 > jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >-- End of excerpt from Josef Grosch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message