From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:19:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56F9106566B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.kernel32.de (crivens.terrorteam.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9388B8FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from www.terrorteam.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.kernel32.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CE0B02A2; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:19:53 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:19:53 +0200 From: Marian Hettwer To: Dan Allen In-Reply-To: <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> References: <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: mh@kernel32.de User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:19:55 -0000 Hi Dan, On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:45:00 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > You may be interested to know, however, that some people ALSO use it > as a desktop system. ;-) > I second that! :) I for one really love FreeBSD on a server, 'cause it has a (to me) perfect setup of tools to use on a command line. On the other hand, guess what, since I'm administrating some FreeBSD boxes (and a whole lot more debian boxes too), my Desktop is a FreeBSD machine. > In the Standard Install there should be an option that says "Install > Firefox & Xorg". It should be an OPTIONAL CHECK BOX, not a mandatory > one, but it should allow a desktop scenario to be setup easily. > sounds good to me. > If the disks are near full, or need to be uniform across processors, > or whatever, then I am okay with not having all of X and Firefox on > disc1 IF there was a simple set of "pkg_add -r" commands that could > hidden behind a script or dialog which could fetch the necessary > software over the internet and set it up (along with .conf files so X > starts up reasonably well) so that a non-command line user could have > a good first time experience. > Ah well, create DVD images additionally to the standard iso images. > It was using Ubuntu that caused me to realize how far behind FreeBSD > is on the desktop side, and how, with a SMALL AMOUNT of work and > changes, it could make a big jump forward by this proposed simple > addition. Heck, if nothing else the installer could simply say in a > help screen, "if you want a web browser on your system, type 'pkg_add - > r firefox' on your system and edit blah blah .conf blah". As it > stands right now, however, there is very little in the install process > which helps a user get X up and going with a browser. > There is PC-BSD, FreeBSD based but aims on the desktop to achieve exactly what you said. I'm not sure wether FreeBSD needs to go that road too. Regards, Marian