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[76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u16sm10563580anf.14.2011.10.27.10.39.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3STwSd4p2yz2CG47 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111027133905.34315b83@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <15996.1319704110@tristatelogic.com> <1319712142.89939.YahooMailNeo@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111027172944.75a96733.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EA989C2.6060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/3N57EtwnBYe88RgSwE1mmOt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:39:18 -0000 --Sig_/3N57EtwnBYe88RgSwE1mmOt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: > On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote: > > In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things, > > not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I > > feel to say it. >=20 > Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS > X thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just > plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never got > it to work properly under FreeBSD. (Mostly that was because I had the > system lpr working just fine on my old FBSD machine connected to the > printer using a parallel port. Newer hardware doesn't even have a > parallel port now.) Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. The *nix community has never gotten printing up to that lever. While there are those who continually blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any other alphabetic combination that you like} that seriously proposed the creation of a department dedicated to the writing of drivers for non-windows based systems, a department that would therefore have a zero based projected cash flow, would be removed from office posthaste. Even the few companies that do write a limited set of drivers for the exceedingly fragmented *.nix community tend to stick with vanilla Linux and perhaps Debian. It took nVidia years (literally) to get FreeBSD to update their product to the point when nVidia could supply 64 bit drivers. I recently spoke with a representative from Brothers regarding securing a driver for one of their laser printers. He himself is a Linux man and said that he felt my pain. He also informed me that while it had been discussed from time to time, it was always felt that it would be a lose-lose situation. They do supply drivers for Linux and Debian but that is about it. He stated that it was felt that the cost of writing drivers for a widely fragmented community and then having to support said drivers would just not be financially feasible. Printing has come a long way from the "parallel port" configuration. Many now use wireless connections for instance. I love wireless printers myself. However, here again problems arise. FreeBSD supplies virtually no "N" protocol certified drivers which negates the effectiveness of an "N" protocol based wireless printer. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. 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