From owner-freebsd-arch Thu Apr 6 15: 9: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150BE37BC70 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10732 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:12:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA34096 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:09:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F7037C189; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@14-078.006.popsite.net [216.126.137.78]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30366; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:07:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA25637; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:07:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Nate Williams Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh Message-ID: <20000406150728.A25607@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20000406134916.A23265@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062121.PAA24162@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000406144502.A25177@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062150.PAA24400@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004062150.PAA24400@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:50:49PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:50:49PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: > > I don't want a fully functional workstation. I want a root account that > > is useful. > > It's completely useful. It has everything you need. What does tcsh > provide you that csh doesn't provide you that is needed for root? Command line completion, and something other than bazzar "!^?-" history substitution. Shell evolution (and other command line tools) have shown that either Emacs or Vi -style line editing is the way to go. No one has adopted the bazzar Csh history substitution syntax. > > I am also tired of explaining to Linux users why our /bin/csh doesn't > > have as nice a UI as tcsh. > > That's a *really* bad reason to bring in csh, and you know it. No I don't know it. You obvioulsy haven't had to fight to keep research labs using FreeBSD over Linux. > PicoBSD is just *one* of the many, many, many uses for small embedded > system. List them. These small embedded system developers can grab the old csh sources from the Attic and import them into their own source tree. > > As would Tcsh. > > If both are adequate, choose the smaller of the two since it benefits > more folks that way. ;) I dissagree. ;) Perhaps a poll? > > The need is our root's shell is crappy. > > I disagree, but what's stopping you from using tcsh as root's shell? It isn't part of the base system. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message