From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 12 01:06:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B744A106566B; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulf@alameda.net) Received: from mail.alameda.net (mail.alameda.net [194.55.105.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF828FC14; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A61C91CC71; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:48:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:48:41 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20091212004841.GR2939@evil.alameda.net> References: <4B2207A6.7070204@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20091211232356.309C21CC09@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091211232356.309C21CC09@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.5-PRERELEASE X-ANI-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ANI-MailScanner-ID: A61C91CC71.A4B24 X-ANI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ANI-MailScanner-From: ulf@alameda.net Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Polytropon , Bill Moran , Matthew Seaman , "Sam Fourman Jr." , Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Root exploit for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:50 -0000 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 03:23:56PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:49:42 +0000 > > From: Matthew Seaman > > Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org > > > > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:42:36 -0600, "Sam Fourman Jr." wrote: > > >> I have tried looking around and OpenBSD appears to be the undisputed > > >> #1 track record in terms of security and FreeBSD is #2 (I didn't count > > >> dragonflyBSD) > > > > > > VMS would be #0, then? :-) > > > > I dunno. Haven't seen many MS-DOS exploits recently either... > > I'm sure that there are systems happily running MSDOS, but I bet not too > many are networked. > > I know that there is still a lot of VMS out there and that it has > remained a cash cow for HP. It lived on primarily in the banking and > financial sector, though I guess the use is dropping since HP recently > outsourced support to India and that lead to the retirement of the last > of the original VMS developers, Andy Goldstein. Just go to Fry's Electronic. Most of their systems are still MS-Dos with Novell for network, running text based inventory/quote/sales app. > > Also, the the end of TECO as Andy was responsible for porting it to > almost every platform DEC ever sold (RSX, RSTS, VMS, TOPS-10 and > TOPS-20, RT-11, and several others) and continued to maintain it until > his retirement. (Most readers of this list probably don't even remember > TECO.) > > And, for may years VMS had major network security problems, especially > the infamous default DECNET/DECNET account that lead to may compromises > and the second major network worm, Worms Against Nuclear Killers. (I > won't use the acronym so as not to offend our British readers. I found > out about that when the BBC interviewed me about it and I was told that > I could not utter the word.) > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) > E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://www.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html