From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 11 16:24:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FC2EA1B; Mon, 11 May 2015 16:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9370D18E3; Mon, 11 May 2015 16:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t4BGOgE4028659; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:24:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 02:24:42 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Avinash Sonawane cc: Valeri Galtsev , postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BCM4313 Wireless LAN Controller in FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20150512000420.C69409@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:24:48 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 571, Issue 1, Message: 6 On Mon, 11 May 2015 09:31:17 +0530 Avinash Sonawane wrote: > On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Valeri Galtsev > wrote: > > On Thu, May 7, 2015 12:48 am, Avinash Sonawane wrote: > >> Ok. So just now I got 3 mails in Chinese (I think) with the subject > >> "??????????? ???BCM4313 Wireless LAN Controller in FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE" > >> > >> 1) From ljj_jun@sina.com > >> saying "Oh, your mail Lijing Jun has been received, please be patient > >> reply! ~ Thank you! --- --- Automated response system" >> text> > >> > >> 2) From taogediyi@sina.com > >> saying "Hello, your letter has been received by Tao brother team, > >> please keep an eye QQ group, Wang Xiao's new incentives such as > >> information dissemination, thank you participate!" > >> > >> 3) From jzsf@vip.sina.com > >> saying "We have received your letter! > >> THX! > >> Jingzhou Sheng" Avinash, just to confirm: these were private messages sent directly to you, and not to the list, right? As you're fairly new to this list, I'll point out below some things you may not be aware of - though some other responders to this thread should know better. So should I, of course, but in order to try heading off the usual three or four times a year this sort of thing comes up, generating vastly more traffic than the original spam, I hope to clear up a couple of things. Valeri wrote: > > I have a motion for list admin(s): > > > > Kick off the list (and ban from subscription in a future) the above three > > e-mail addresses. Auto responses to messages received through mail list is > > an abuse. 1) This is an unmoderated list, and DOES NOT require subscription to post. It's been that way at least the last 17 years I've been around, despite at least one or two attempts per year to change that policy, all of which fail for the very good reason that this list is advertised as the point of first contact for issues people may be having with FreeBSD, and is advised as such on login by /etc/motd by default. 2) The sort of messages referred to here - sent as responses to new posts to the list by some people, to some people - are not ABLE to be controlled by the list admins, being the team at postmaster@freebsd.org; they can only do something about posts directly TO the list(s). 3) Anyone on the planet can subscribe - or just scan the list archives - to extract email addresses of posters. It's clear than many spammers and scammers have done so and will continue to do so. Even most of the lists that require subscription to post also provide public archives. 4) If you wish to complain about spam TO/ON the list, there are several things you should do to prepare a meaningful message to the only folks who can do anything about it, the team at postmaster@freebsd.org : a) don't bother postmaster@ with complaints about not uncommon one-off drive-by spam from - particularly, these days - SEO scammers who've "noticed problems with your website .." or people offering great deals on blow-up dolls or skyhooks or whatever. Best just let them go by. b) if you find more than one persistent spam from a particular address, forward postmaster@ copies including COMPLETE MESSAGE HEADERS. Without all of the 'Received: ' and such headers, you're wasting their time. c) be patient; looking after scores of lists is no easy task. If your message is informative and polite, you can generally expect a response. d) don't post messages about spam, or in reply to spam, to the list(s). ( Hat: the exception that proves the rule :) > > Also: I would suggest to think about stopping from being re-sent by the > > list all messages containing anything in foreign (i.e. not English) > > alphabet. Sending something in a language that people will not understand > > is at the very least not polite. UTF-8, commonly seen these days, accomodates many language alphabets. In the '80s-'90s Fidonet community there were generally just two rules: Be not excessively annoying and Be not too easily annoyed. Or to paraphrase some IETF RFCs: Be generous and forgiving of your received data, and strive to be strictly correct in what you transmit. FreeBSD is an international community; people make lots of allowances for non-native English speakers, including many developers, and indeed of atrocious spelling and grammar by not a few natives to the language. > I echo that! Yes you did, but it's not really helpful. It's your posted thread, and fortunately most responses have been helpful regarding your Wifi issue. > Avinash Sonawane (RootKea) > PICT, Pune > http://rootkea.wordpress.com Interesting. I hope you'll enjoy your experiences with FreeBSD. cheers, Ian [ please do not reply to this message, except privately :-]