From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 9 23:10:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29430 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29418 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id CAA13562; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: John Birrell cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where is the FreeBSD Mozilla CVS server? In-Reply-To: <199804100554.PAA00602@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > I have to disagree with this. I think it is unwise to promote things > that FreeBSD as a group hasn't done much with. And Mozilla is one > of those. The difference in my eyes is that FreeBSD is on the same level playing field as everyone else. We were all given the source at the same time. Except we use CVS daily and others don't. So that gives us bonus point there. And after netscape denounced the rest of the Free OS world by saying linux was their OS platform of choice instead of being fair about it, they have clearly indicated they dont care about our talents, or our useage of things like CVS which we clearly have more knowledge in. > Jordan has set up the cvs tree and it is now up to people to use it. > Or is this another one of those things that people want to play with > but nobody really wants to work on? I'm debating the fact that most things are play things as you put it. My point is that we have sat back and done almost nothing to promote FreeBSD. And this model clearly does not work to our advantage anymore. If we want to see corporate sponsors and be taken seriously we are going to have to start cracking heads. If that means stepping on netscape, IMO and MO only then im all for it. They have writeen us off in public saying they really want the talents of linux developers. So I say this is fair game. And I dont really have any doubt in my mind that while the netscape CVS tree might be a toy for most it WILL be worked on just like the rest of the OS. To me hacking netscape is one of those fun things that most of -core would rather be doing than hacking token ring drivers or whatnot :) If popular opinion is that this idea is rash or of ill-judgement then throw it in the bit bucket. But I think alot of us are getting tired of FreeBSD being shoved in the background, ignored and suffering from PR bitrot. Should we honestly do nothing to take advantage of this PR opportunity? And yet again let FreeBSD not take advantage of something we know, CVS. While at the same time riding on the coat tails of the netscape source is free news stories? I think it would be a big mistake. But im not a PR person, just someone whos tired of seeing FreeBSD put last in reviews, left out of reviews, and ignored. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message