From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 20 05:44:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5BB1065672 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B048FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from [172.16.12.8] (covad-jrhett.meer.net [209.157.140.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m8K5huYI056139; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.968] Message-Id: From: Jo Rhett To: Gary Palmer In-Reply-To: <20080920044148.GA60230@in-addr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:43:56 -0700 References: <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <15F15FD1-3C53-4018-8792-BC63289DC4C2@netconsonance.com> <448wtpcikb.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <34C3D54B-C88C-4C36-B1FE-C07FC27F8CB5@netconsonance.com> <20080920020703.GA82392@phat.za.net> <851F09A2-788D-4343-9E00-A0AB5C3AC063@netconsonance.com> <20080920044148.GA60230@in-addr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:44:31 -0000 On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Gary Palmer wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 07:38:32PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: >> Without input from the current release team extending the support >> schedule is not possible. > > Inquiry - is release team the constraint? I don't know. I asked why not, and was told the release team said this was all they could do with the resources they have. No further information has been provided. > Or to put it another way, what to you is "support" in terms of > FreeBSD releases. As far as I am aware, if you stick on a > RELENG_X_Y_Z_RELEASE tag > then the most you get is security fixes. No new features, > no new drivers, no bugfixes. So if I am interpreting things > correctly, you are asking for security fixes to be ported to > RELEASE tagged branches for longer? That is what I and my $EMPLOYER want yes, although as I said I am willing to support other efforts. (ie I am unlikely to be the difference between make or break on this effort, so if more support was something that got other businesses involved enough to achieve that change, then....) > So is release team the contrained resource in your problem? > I am not denying that *any* part of the FreeBSD team is not > resource constrained, but I'm wondering if you're examining > the correct area. That's a good question I don't have the answer to. Nobody has actually defined the problem to me beyond the statement above. This is why it's difficult to determine how to best proceed. Until the real problems are laid on the table (so to speak) I haven't the foggiest idea where/how/when to help, nor whether or not my or anyone else's assistance would be useful. (one assumes it would) -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness