From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 28 17:35:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB812F89FD for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 17:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Xvwk6ZtXz3XTW for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 17:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: owbkgxsVM1mAwNOobcw5TO6rLcv4lyeLxz4y0EFhrKb5pZfxZ4mF0gBhMJnjOg4 Vc2ZG1hDXJDpNrZusA3.ivfG87m78WxuZ6z2FX6AYaHa_N213JfrhyFxK1Wa.Pjslz3I8H2V0DSL vdjHgI02wOFE25PKju4glCBQwTQfqmhncM_FI_QPjyADj7vb93G75DpZOyt0lGR4xhtaTmrBosu9 RcHmC0Vh7491M5owJgHLHQ86XoQ7uV3v5YyM3BparEU0ut2ABmiD3ceYB8GrF463eOkiSjsxN.rc n7BF6q92S5mT2ajLVCfm2JWzuJaqlk3rT.scB8d.QQWrtS5aHbuAt0ApAeKIn6kAOPYcmJqL7JXH oVHu9dgW7dXvhVxeiC.A3GAVSQiC7n9bnP9uVzkfLa.6YsIwLX3oy3YjmyBylQu.B_mNB8bxMCsu FbkEp8WRRo.np7MsRMk0F6eOoKpp8NeCmvb5WRb6hOfcj6Yw2pR2z6siUJafFXzc.DbrEtOqHtBR ohcVE33NHgEPtTAhWw2GRpl4Q5bGlzJcVt1wsR1TCG0JIuaW1Uq0.nQ9R1bBEv58bcj7ewj3uhmx eF1j8AeyQeQjGuw2eioZN6HwOSL.tvBD4jlMLbs0WUuxBXPPwF6sSFlbSl2Q1k9vQfb305DL3MB4 upN0IODXYlnUUT0fxBaKr0pDWUJdrmodL5Mt_KqmoW8U7mIT6SESoD5q4sG9ElR8ShQiBHjS.xli 1Pgn.x7imQHmfeoak3FTGO054qIegZ7XU8fK0oIfMvl.350JbEU78rwW.wnfYAVKNwEV9xAXPxTt VVwtlOiC8g7JpJMfZ_MC_ubn1XdCCIrqRta2TRzJYA5xgwkPr2EarZrVT.oR3luIIVmX4WbQslqf C0tML9y1JxP.RtmelXaMzhQdaUSIEYEruBu8PdQ8rKmLves.r.J.IWcv2YrZx2QUsCTTrGI3IPDe NdpaOkqSBY0_qI2rH5X2soBI9g5L.EQNp413jxjxA5WSw99d4CPaVtN_WEnkDrVsWRmZq5cLVCDH FP4ydB1zprh_AQ6uaZBwsS8tSXalfXxIouggnakr.JOqioHzYGMp3PSPv7WlUgCCLESWhFgasRm7 vg88PF9PgUCiYwBNbXPAvTGUQ5nDrf3_hrsuC5CIaOPZ1nmg6VJqpyY9EuNgh_vIhrOVbRfMlTBR _mbsa1575vUB8ebdOWFfUFR99U3.hZbtf0Kajjv..Ji3VS0tQHpJrFftKzRxNrfR4yGZrfEcPDEV _aqyuh92.xJkNHublFqVWgsh09rEnh18myFT8RjeX3mjpRAE2wT2CaWNg6M9xIQymrFuxnOkq4YN UEmRqIaRjggj.SzHta2NtbWA9hxh8UCVAgIz2nACB3E5u7HIkcbO6.sD0BPnJeYdz3Ba5j1J7P3O BPKObvg-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2020 17:35:15 +0000 Received: by smtp403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3eb2e4eec132ddb3f0533c4b10f04429; Thu, 28 May 2020 17:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 19:35:12 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <20200528193512.7fcf9192@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200528170047.d55ed6402f71c9b2558c78bc@sohara.org> References: <20200527203627.2c9faae5@archlinux> <21722039-a01f-37d3-e035-6be2950485e2@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200528022232.662100a3@archlinux> <0e7aa839-eecf-37f7-4498-4ecc73f44689@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200528164705.278f3983.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200528162637.73917881c2c395f80a5384fc@sohara.org> <20200528170047.d55ed6402f71c9b2558c78bc@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Xvwk6ZtXz3XTW X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[77.238.177.82:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.951]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[77.238.177.82:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.53)[-0.525]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.958]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:35:21 -0000 Simple dictionaries don't care that much about style. I can see Valeri's point, but I'm amused about the bikeshed. However, I read "coder" way more often than "programmer" on computer and/or audio related mailing lists and forums and Dict confirms that both are allegedly correct translations for "Programmierer". https://www.dict.cc/?s=3DProgrammierer English =E2=94=82Deutsch =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2= =94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94= =80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80= =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2= =94=80=E2=94=BC=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94= =80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80= =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2= =94=80 programmer =E2=94=82Programmierer {m} coder =E2=94=82Programmierer {m} programer [Am.] =E2=94=82Programmierer {m} computer programmer [jobs] [comp.]=E2=94=82Programmierer {m} programmers =E2=94=82Programmierer {pl} In Germany it's inappropriate to say "Mucke" instead of "Musik", but a lot of people don't care and call it "Mucke". At least Dict mentions "ugs." =3D "colloquial". For "coder" there's no such hint as "coll." or "vulg." or something else. https://www.dict.cc/?s=3Dmusic English =E2=94=82Deutsch =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2= =94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94= =80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80= =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2= =94=80=E2=94=BC=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94= =80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80= =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2= =94=80=09 music [mus.] =E2=94=82Musik {f} music [mus.] =E2=94=82Mucke {f} [ugs.] [Musik] =09