From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 09:05:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F362A37B41D for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsl-mail.kamp.net (mail.kamp-dsl.de [195.62.99.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C389843F85 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from me@farid-hajji.de) Received: (qmail 27983 invoked by uid 505); 7 Jul 2003 16:05:13 -0000 Received: from me@farid-hajji.de by dsl-mail by uid 502 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (spamassassin: 2.43. Clear:. Processed in 0.250865 secs); 07 Jul 2003 16:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reverse-213-146-116-200.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) (213.146.116.200) by dsl-mail.kamp.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 16:05:13 -0000 From: Farid Hajji To: Uwe Doering Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:04:58 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030705163119.4709fe81.redbrick1@terra.com.br> <3F093C1D.6030601@geminix.org> In-Reply-To: <3F093C1D.6030601@geminix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307071805.02111.me@farid-hajji.de> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Virtual Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: me@farid-hajji.de List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:05:12 -0000 On Monday 07 July 2003 11:23 am, Uwe Doering wrote: > I'm not sure whether you mean us (EscapeBox). We don't call our > solution a "virtual server", for a good reason, however. Around fall [...] > We are certainly not happy about having to engage in this kind of > marketing BS. We'd rather prefer to work on further improving our > product since we are technicians at heart. Unfortunately we had to act > to escape said collective virtual server bashing. If you simply stated on your web pages that you're offering some jail(8)-based hosting... If a company mentions FreeBSD, its most likely that they'll provide some jail(8)s, with or without root access. Strangely, very few companies admit this, even if it's obvious both in the industry and to better informed sysadmins... I would stay clear of companies that are not openly stating their core technology. If you modified the kernel to better suit your needs, that's okay, and your trade secret. That is not the problem here. Just be open about what you're offering, and the credibility issues quickly melt away. matrix(8) would have been a better marketing term though... :-) Good luck, -FH. -- Farid Hajji. http://www.farid-hajji.net/address.html