From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 15:36:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59AE106564A for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C30B8FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.31]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AECE332BCB for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:05:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53]) by mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8485410189 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:05:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-094-217-106-027.pools.arcor-ip.net [94.217.106.27]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9DA72BAD23 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:05:54 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-13.arcor-online.net E9DA72BAD23 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o2MF5rlM042886 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:05:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o2MF5qY6042885 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:05:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4BA5D7B0.8000507@bsdforen.de> <4BA6C5DA.6040100@FreeBSD.org> <86634ojxl7.fsf@ds4.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nroff -man, .An Aq formatting X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:36:56 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > > It has come to my attention that whereas with LANG=C "nroff -man" > > > formats ".An name Aq email" as "name ", it uses different > > > characters with LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 "name ⟨email⟩". These characters > > > are appropriate, but a lot of unicode fonts don't seem to have them. > > This is definitely a bug, since (as avg@ points out) you can no longer > copy-paste the name & address into an email client. > > AFAIK (judging from the Unicode group they're in) these characters are > intended mainly for writing things like and + in > technical documentation. And we probably have that usage in other man pages. It is not clear to me if the problem is the use of these characters for angle quotes or the use of .Aq for email addresses. A few days ago, I switched my desktop to UTF-8, and I right away noticed that there are issues with the nroff output. Looking at, say, the rc(8) man page, I see that the `...` shell backquotes have been turned into pretty single quotes. Again, you can't copy-n-paste this any longer. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de