From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Mar 4 10:23:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C4737B405; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g24INZJ31017; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:23:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:23:35 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: "Crist J. Clark" Cc: Archie Cobbs , Julian Elischer , freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to if_loop + the interface cloning framework Message-ID: <20020304102335.A27553@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200203040455.g244tr429559@arch20m.dellroad.org> <20020304101049.D87533@blossom.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020304101049.D87533@blossom.cjclark.org>; from cjc@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:10:49AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 10:10:49AM -0800, Crist J. Clark wrote: > On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 08:55:53PM -0800, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > Why? From a theoretical standpoint, there's nothing mandatory > > about it. E.g., consider a machine that is only a router, has > > no users, etc. It doesn't need one. >=20 > Try to build a kernel without, >=20 > pseudo-device loop # Network loopback >=20 > And see what happens. =46rom a _practical_ standpoint, a loopback interface must be compiled in at this time. However, that's not what Archie and I are arguing. I'm arguing that since the requirement is not there in theory, we should not be making moves which require it in practice. The direction I'd like to move in would be toward making loopback loadable and adding appropriate module depends so it gets loaded or compiled in automaticly (with peter's new kernel config/build system) when IP networking is enabled. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8g7unXY6L6fI4GtQRArktAJsHKlz+6Y2aAXovAmfvedZoKKsqdgCfaTFO Vo0lvFIjptwZx5FEok12h44= =Hrvb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message