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([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm117562ywh.31.2009.10.27.13.44.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:44:18 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027202035.GA92828@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20091027202035.GA92828@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271844.18697.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:44:23 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > [big snip] > > > Until then, the status quo is here because it works, it has been > > stable for a very long time, and it serves its current purpose > > "well enough". > > I don't use sendmail but it's easy enough to build a different MTA > out of ports (at least Postfix is easy) and turn off sendmail, as > others have pointed out. Indeed Frank ... that has been well stablished for a long time .. not only in this thread but also on every faq on Freebsd and MTAs, handbook and other assorted texts. > I can imagine that a lot of people do use sendmail - it's documented > in the handbook for starters. If it was taken out and replaced with > another MTA then there would be complaints that sendmail has been > taken out or "replacement MTA" is the "wrong one". Well .. someday UFS will be replaced by ZFS .. and one day Perl just dissapeard from base .. yet the worl kept turning, and even better .. no one got hurt ;) in the other hand, those not complaining, will probably be really happy .. so ... > If somebody's insane enough to write the patches to replace sendmail > (will they be accepted?), then they are also going to have to replace > all the hooks for removing the MTA, like sendmail currently has; and > they're going to have to document the MTA in the handbook. Regarding your question about the patches, well .. that's what I was discussing with Giorgios ... Now for the rest of the paragraph .. uhm .. yes .. that's the way it goes .. and that's the path every Linux distro and NetBSD took ... and the same path OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD will take when the time comes ... > They'll also need a thick skin to handle all the brickbats that come > their way ;) And who didn't need them ;) > I can think of many ways to more fruitfully spend the time that it > would take to remove sendmail from base. Removing it from base would > also mean that others have to spend time reconfiguring their > system(s): not good. I wouldn't be so sure about that without thinking on the mid/long term consecuences first. Doesn't ZFS mean that you have to reconfigure (or even reinstall) your system? > I vote for sendmail, even though I'm a postfix user! There's no voting going on .. OP just asked a question .. ;) > I don't like change for no good reason and nobody's supplied a good > reason yet. Well .. to some there are .. to some others, there aren't .. This is a discussion that winds back through time from a lot of threads ... > Regards, Regards Gonzalo