From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 9 15:05:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2403A80; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmh.aybabtu@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x236.google.com (mail-qa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CF31653; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n20so2949802qaj.6 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:05:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=CY1PyDGz+I92IjX4uWi/1ARwGh2iLtZj/eisHL/ZmjA=; b=o2xdvbyck38/Je160ptG/0HLLb1uIgKPIlZBk7bvVUlDPXrjOYiAL1b8cffHjBG8b9 liYD9KQxGltP6GOoDMlEn8ZMQGjuA7ITR7Lu61PWE5lxYUR2ORQv6+SBtsLJAHq6iyla 3uEmp1aggiGcyxsu+/x/0+dizpNpmphlQVjLFxn0VO3HlxtFgLMqxWJD8ePbwDbI6W/J s5c4KsuwVjbsX+dlfgLdrvvevKs2n3vAmmEqKjW/HA1+1CLL6rXp/dem1BYXx+HojTqH 4ZYv2e60Feit9pHAoUlmyFHA221uSGLwRrPi9MaaeqW+v+tLydQvljnYXzsYawqfmyWc QB0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.165.77 with SMTP id h13mr14241421qay.58.1373382300126; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: rmh.aybabtu@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.26.193 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:05:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130709113553.GP67810@FreeBSD.org> References: <20130709113553.GP67810@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:05:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: F0l9_NgAP7IxumuhZkVTRs52jgQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: libutil in Debian From: Robert Millan To: Gleb Smirnoff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:05:00 -0000 Hi Gleb, 2013/7/9 Gleb Smirnoff : > With all respect to GNU and Debian the libutil in BSD appeared in 1988, > and the fact that GNU has taken that name in 1996 isn't reason for BSD > to change name. Thanks for pointing this out. Please note that my request is only based on practical grounds. It shouldn't be interpreted as implying endorsement on Glibc's use of libutil name. Historically, Glibc maintainer has been very difficult to deal with. This has affected non-Linux ports of Glibc as well. In contrast, FreeBSD community may or may not agree with proposals but is at least open to discuss things. This (rather than "fairness") is the reason I try to work things out here and not there. Please take it as a compliment rather than as offence :-) > Also, FreeBSD is just one of the BSD descendants, and all of them share > the libutil. So, I take it that the change I'm proposing could have disruptive effects. I do think there are long-term advantages for FreeBSD and the other BSD descendants in making it easy for their APIs to be deployed elsewhere. I mean, in terms of portability. However I'm clearly biased so I'd rather not insist on this. I leave it for you to judge. Thanks! -- Robert Millan